You think if Judd can drop a lazy 0.5M or whatever it was on evil poker machines then Carlton could have found a way to keep Grigg in the Navy Blue.

Where did I say "put the cue in the rack or rebuilding"???

What I am saying is that we have a core group that are as good as anyone but we fall away badly after that.

Look at it like this:

B: Touhy Jamison Laidler
HB: Yarran Henderson Gibbs

C: Simpson Robinson Scotland
Foll: Kruezer Judd Murphy

HF: Garlett Thornton Walker
F: Betts Hampson Waite

Int: Carrazzo Ellard? Duigan?

That is fairly close to our best line up and one I believe that can challenge any other side. After that its a real toss up. We really struggle when we get a few injuries and at the moment we are missing Laidler, Carrazzo & Waite and will get Yarran back tomorrow.

With rotations the way they are you need contributions from ALL 22 players. How long have we been playing Russell, Bower, Armfield, Joseph etc and expecting improvement? They tease every so often but are NOT consistent contributors. We are talking about players that have been on our list for years!

Why not give youngsters (not all at once) game time? I am sure they can contribute as much as the others and will gain experience. Have the above line up and play Bootsma, Dale, Buckley, Lucas, Davies, Collins, Kerr etc especially as a sub.

Look at how so many players have contributed to GWS in their first year. If they were with us they would be sitting playing crap footy in the Northern Blues.

Look at the last few premiers. There are so many stories of first year or new players contributing. Think Duncan, Menzel, Fasolo & Blair.

IMO we have given these guys enough opportunities. Time to try others, it couldn't be any worse.

was never about money, it was about attitude

Yes the link is obvious.

The link is money, and who gets what, duh. Most players who ask for a trade either want more $ or more opportunity. Perhaps with Grigg he felt he could contribute more at Richmond, he hasn't cracked the midfield there yet but is playing more like a mid than he did at Carlton where he was yet another lose flanker (he seemed great at finding the ball in space even with us, just his effectiveness/delivery needed to grow). As for tyne Judd comment yes it was less than relevant to Grigg but shows the level of moral insight going around at the club. It made me sick to here that Judd would invest in something so harmful to so many people and the amount was shocking to me. That and Matheson's ill gotten gains being poured into the Club and our Karma is just irresistible isn't it. I don't expect a single person on this forum to relate to that comment in anyway but just wanted to say it for so long, said it. Fire away firing squad I should add that I think Judd has been a tremendous leader on field since the day he arrived — whatever his form on the day he works and works to shake the scraggers and most of the time his games are brilliant.

Essendon* cheated, simple as that

@Megaman
Thanks I didn't know there was a thread about Judd's investments, but I should have guessed there's threads on almost anything Carlton here. I'm an occasional reader not religious Feels like the whole season is wasted now, just gutted. Still, this is a good test of character for the club, coaches and players.

That has been said since the Essendon* game and the club has been shown to be just not up to the challenge. Test of character? Paper tigers.

Essendon* cheated, simple as that

Austin

Griggs

Jacobs

Kennedy

have all stepped up.