Bryce Gibbs suddenly struggling for impact

Stamos · **Joined:** Mon May 31, 2010 10:07 pm **Posts:** 1984

Stefchook wrote:

Regardless of how fair the comments are, I've got to admit I'm glad some of our players are now starting to get some media pressure applied. They've received enough praise over recent years. And from the outside, it's looked like they've played like they're satisfied with the plaudits. I want our players to 'hurt' more and play 'angry'.

This.
Gibbs has still been good this year, but it's about time the media had a real crack at some of our players, because we have down on form the last month and Monday night was a disgrace.
We should be undefeated at this stage of the season.

camel · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2012 12:53 pm

Stefchook wrote:

Regardless of how fair the comments are, I've got to admit I'm glad some of our players are now starting to get some media pressure applied. They've received enough praise over recent years. And from the outside, it's looked like they've played like they're satisfied with the plaudits. I want our players to 'hurt' more and play 'angry'.

This is true.

However, if that's what it takes to fire them up then we're in bigger trouble than many may think.

We have the talent.

As I see it we don't have that burning desire, self-determination and, most-importantly, unfailing belief in our ability to get through it; whether it is a tough opponent or a premiership win.

verbs · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2012 12:57 pm

frank dardew wrote:

Title should read whole team struggling for impact rather than isolating one person

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

Juanita Jones wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/bryce-gibbs-suddenly-struggling-for-impact/story-e6frf9jf-1226358183879

Quote:

Another leading analyst, North Melbourne premiership player David King, said: "Gibbs is a mystery, isn't he. I still think he's an elite player, but we just don't know where it is going to be.

"I think he can be an elite half-back flanker, :grin:

intercept and rebound with skill."

King said he was waiting for Gibbs to blossom into a regular game-breaker.

I'm yet to see a half back flanker regulalrly bust a game open. Forwards and midfielders, yes, Half back flankers, no. Only in short bursts.

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2651

JohnM wrote:

Drewgirl wrote:

To me he looks disinterested. I think Murphy looks a little like that as well. I wonder why? I am staggered as they want to play finals, but they dont understand what it takes to get there. If you follow the boys on twitter, all they care about is their hair and making fun of eachother. Absolutely no hurt whatsoever when they lose. Robbo did say how upset he was by the Essenscum loss, but the others, nothing.

Its all between the ears,and work ethic. Which we dont have any since the Collingwood game.

This is very upsetting to me.

Let's be brutally honest here.

You follow the tweets of a bunch young men who probably spent their high-school years focussing more on football than they did academics, and you're somehow disappointed that their tweets are full of mindless trivialities and stupid piss-taking??

What do you expect? Gibbs and Murphy to tweet, haiku-like, perfect and incisive analysis of the state of the game? They're young, highly paid football players, big fish in a small pond, who enjoy fame and money due to the fact that they can play footy extremely well.

If you're disappointed in their tweets (the most vacuous of all mediums) then I'd suggest it's simply because your expectations are overblown.

Maybe the young bunch of men should be rocked back to reality by their coach.
He's a product of a successful club and knows what it takes to reach holy grail.

Adam Chatfield · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2012 7:01 pm

redback wrote:

JohnM wrote:

Drewgirl wrote:

To me he looks disinterested. I think Murphy looks a little like that as well. I wonder why? I am staggered as they want to play finals, but they dont understand what it takes to get there. If you follow the boys on twitter, all they care about is their hair and making fun of eachother. Absolutely no hurt whatsoever when they lose. Robbo did say how upset he was by the Essenscum loss, but the others, nothing.

Its all between the ears,and work ethic. Which we dont have any since the Collingwood game.

This is very upsetting to me.

Let's be brutally honest here.

You follow the tweets of a bunch young men who probably spent their high-school years focussing more on football than they did academics, and you're somehow disappointed that their tweets are full of mindless trivialities and stupid piss-taking??

What do you expect? Gibbs and Murphy to tweet, haiku-like, perfect and incisive analysis of the state of the game? They're young, highly paid football players, big fish in a small pond, who enjoy fame and money due to the fact that they can play footy extremely well.

If you're disappointed in their tweets (the most vacuous of all mediums) then I'd suggest it's simply because your expectations are overblown.

Maybe the young bunch of men should be rocked back to reality by their coach.
He's a product of a successful club and knows what it takes to reach holy grail.

I'm sure if twitter existed in the 80s and 90s you would of seen similar type posts from the players of those times.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2012 6:16 am

ryan2000 wrote:

Maybe people are right when they say that Pagan damaged him by shoving him at full back in his early years.

You're still the only person I've seen who believes the 5mins he spent at 'Full-Back' on Chris Johnson damaged him. Only person I've seen mention him playing there.

Playing in defence gave him the defensive focus that still sees him playing his best football at half-back.

Pagan didnt get much right, but playing Gibbs in defence was one thing he did.

As for Gibbs not being half the player he was when he was drafted...Im staggered our fans continue to come up with this rubbish.

Sugarcane · **Joined:** Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:40 am **Posts:** 1628

Really it is the club who should be copping the heat over Gibbs, more so than Gibbs himself
Bryce didn’t ask to be taken at pick 1
It was the club that decided that fate
Word at the time was WH was tossing up btw Bryce and Selwood but chose Bryce I assume partly bec of queries on the latter’s knee
Look Bryce is a very good footballer, and one of our best and most important players
He places in B&Fs
The reason for this discussion is because when we took him at no.1 most of us assumed we had a future gun midfielder on our hands
And by gun I mean a game breaker, a potential Brownlow type star
That’s what pick 1 promises, rightly or wrongly
But Bryce it would seem lacks the hardness and toughness to play in the centre square, to play on-ball
Wing is slightly different, as is HFF or HBF
But I think we all hoped he’d be a true on-ball gun
Some of us, me included went and watched him play in the state comp before the draft
What we saw was a kid who won clearances at ease – Sellar tapping down to Bryce was the order of the day
But in the AFL it is a lot harder and tougher in there
You need balls
And Bryce’s DNA it would seem does not allow him to be ‘that’ player
The last 2 weeks have illustarted that
he's been given a go on-ball and has had minimal impact on the game playing there
Doesn’t mean he isn’t a very, very good player though
As a HBF I think he is exceptional and I can see Yarran – Henderson – Gibbs as a premiership HB line
Or maybe he goes to a wing or a HFF and becomes just as good
I think the bottom line here is we need to accept that maybe he just won’t be the dominant midfielder we hoped he would be
But be content he is an exceptionally gifted HBF … or wing or HFF
Could be worse, I mean look at Melb with Watts !!

DISCLAIMER : Selwood's career could be over in 3-4 years whereas Bryce might be a stellar HBF til his early 30s ??

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2012 9:43 am

TruBlueBrad wrote:

ryan2000 wrote:

Maybe people are right when they say that Pagan damaged him by shoving him at full back in his early years.

You're still the only person I've seen who believes the 5mins he spent at 'Full-Back' on Chris Johnson damaged him. Only person I've seen mention him playing there.

Playing in defence gave him the defensive focus that still sees him playing his best football at half-back.

Pagan didnt get much right, but playing Gibbs in defence was one thing he did.

As for Gibbs not being half the player he was when he was drafted...Im staggered our fans continue to come up with this rubbish.

..don't agree with this at all.. ..one young gun we got that didn't need 'defensive schooling' was Gibbs.. ..unlike Walker or Murphy who neither of had much defensive attributes to their game style early on, Gibbs has always been able to play a close accountable role when asked.. ..and in regards to ppl [myself included] making mention of his 'junior footy', i think it's because by pre-draft time he was playing seniors for glenelg as a skinny light framed 16/17yr old kid.. ..and he played well, even dominated a couple of games.. ..at half forward.. ..he hasn't been damaged at 'full back' as said earlier, but rather the club has.. ..so scared to really try an aggressive side, instead being far too negative and 'safe' in their thinking.. ..instead of truely letting Gibbs create play, he's first gotta continually do some sort of negating role.. ..either half back, onball defensive sweeper, run-with roles, defensive fwd on oppositions rebounder.. ..and then ppl whinge why he's not being as creative and game breaking as we expect him to be.. ..it's not Gibbs, it's the 'scared' coaching instructions instead..

bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2012 11:35 am

Every AFL player needs to learn the defensive game to play AFL.
It is part of the process. Experience is the mother of all learning.

Gibbs needed to play in the backline, to learn the defensive part of AFL footy, to realise the difference between SANFL and AFL.
Furthermore, it gave him a feel for what successful forwards do to be successful and take a leaf out of their book.
I'm sure it was a help. not a hinderance for an 18-19yo with 10 years of footy life ahead of him.

Fevola is the only footballer I know who couldn't be taught defence, but after his "opportunity" to play FB on Gherig, his defensive efforts in the forwardline improved outa sight...interesting how that happened...I just wish he would do it every weekend because he could have. Could vs would.

j.scarponi · **Joined:** Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:49 am **Posts:** 765

Not sure what the fuss is about - he has been playing well bar last week but he wasn't the only one that put in a very poor performance. Do agreee he needs to become a master in a position than exploring his flexibiity.Leave him in the middle and give him plenty of angry pills.

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2651

Maybe we should start a new thread.
No Bryce no Carlton.

I think it's got merit.

Last years final
Essendon*
St Kilda

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2012 3:54 pm

bondiblue wrote:

Every AFL player needs to learn the defensive game to play AFL.
It is part of the process. Experience is the mother of all learning.

Gibbs needed to play in the backline, to learn the defensive part of AFL footy, to realise the difference between SANFL and AFL.
Furthermore, it gave him a feel for what successful forwards do to be successful and take a leaf out of their book.
I'm sure it was a help. not a hinderance for an 18-19yo with 10 years of footy life ahead of him.

Fevola is the only footballer I know who couldn't be taught defence, but after his "opportunity" to play FB on Gherig, his defensive efforts in the forwardline improved outa sight...interesting how that happened...I just wish he would do it every weekend because he could have. Could vs would.

..i agree with the need to instill a defensive side to young players, but not all come into it with that aspect lacking.. ..Gibbs had a solid defensive side, was played early at HB [and now seems stuck there] due to the state of the side we were fielding at the time, and his young light frame.. ..Murphy never got a 'defense' apprenticeship, and he's an exceedingly offensive player that took years to work up his defensive side, and is still prone to run fwd of the ball..

stroby1 · **Joined:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:20 pm **Posts:** 84

Sydney Blue wrote:

Posted this in the Bryce gibbs thread a while back - Sellars either reads my post or I think like Sellars

Gibbs plays his best football when he is given a specific task or run with role
He shuts them down and contributes more
If I was coaching him I would find the opponents best player and say go get him Gibbs

He needs to be set a challenge playing loose man in defence or running in the midfield is not his strength

Totally agree, a challenge brings the best out in him.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8214

After listening to Cam Mooney and Barry Hall talk about Gibbs in one on one contests I'd even think about trying him in a key forward spot at times. Both thought he'd do very well on opponents at HB but I'd try the other end too. You never know. Mooney mentioned 2 contests he had with Gibbs, thought he had him only to be out bodied by Gibbs both times. Hall spoke about Gibbs clashed with with Goodes. Hall apparently said that Gibbs was the only one that could actually monster (interesting he used that word) Goodes in contests hence beat him in near every clash. It was interesting to hear that. Problem is he hasn't got a position or role. Give him a man then he seems to lift alot.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2012 7:41 pm

jim wrote:

After listening to Cam Mooney and Barry Hall talk about Gibbs in one on one contests I'd even think about trying him in a key forward spot at times. Both thought he'd do very well on opponents at HB but I'd try the other end too. You never know. Mooney mentioned 2 contests he had with Gibbs, thought he had him only to be out bodied by Gibbs both times. Hall spoke about Gibbs clashed with with Goodes. Hall apparently said that Gibbs was the only one that could actually monster (interesting he used that word) Goodes in contests hence beat him in near every clash. It was interesting to hear that. Problem is he hasn't got a position or role. Give him a man then he seems to lift alot.

That tells us how good Gibbs is...all the rest of the bla bla negative bla is perception...and I don't know how anyone considers the crap some supporters (pffft experts) say about him. Fools...yep...fools.

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

bondiblue wrote:

jim wrote:

After listening to Cam Mooney and Barry Hall talk about Gibbs in one on one contests I'd even think about trying him in a key forward spot at times. Both thought he'd do very well on opponents at HB but I'd try the other end too. You never know. Mooney mentioned 2 contests he had with Gibbs, thought he had him only to be out bodied by Gibbs both times. Hall spoke about Gibbs clashed with with Goodes. Hall apparently said that Gibbs was the only one that could actually monster (interesting he used that word) Goodes in contests hence beat him in near every clash. It was interesting to hear that. Problem is he hasn't got a position or role. Give him a man then he seems to lift alot.

That tells us how good Gibbs is...all the rest of the bla bla negative bla is perception...and I don't know how anyone considers the crap some supporters (pffft experts) say about him. Fools...yep...fools.

Your signature provides us with enough evidence of who the fool is.

dadadadada · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:24 pm **Posts:** 1361

Play him on Dangerfield to get the best out of him

bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri May 18, 2012 9:15 pm

99prelim wrote:

bondiblue wrote:

jim wrote:

After listening to Cam Mooney and Barry Hall talk about Gibbs in one on one contests I'd even think about trying him in a key forward spot at times. Both thought he'd do very well on opponents at HB but I'd try the other end too. You never know. Mooney mentioned 2 contests he had with Gibbs, thought he had him only to be out bodied by Gibbs both times. Hall spoke about Gibbs clashed with with Goodes. Hall apparently said that Gibbs was the only one that could actually monster (interesting he used that word) Goodes in contests hence beat him in near every clash. It was interesting to hear that. Problem is he hasn't got a position or role. Give him a man then he seems to lift alot.

That tells us how good Gibbs is...all the rest of the bla bla negative bla is perception...and I don't know how anyone considers the crap some supporters (pffft experts) say about him. Fools...yep...fools.

Your signature provides us with enough evidence of who the fool is.

Maybe...and I hope not...but it looks that way...but it better not be.

I'm desperate to see my 13 Carlton GF and see us win the 17th flag...before I retire...then I can look forward to the 18th 19th and 20th in my retirement.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sat May 19, 2012 8:10 am

bondiblue wrote:

99prelim wrote:

[After listening to Cam Mooney and Barry Hall talk about Gibbs in one on one contests I'd even think about trying him in a key forward spot at times. Both thought he'd do very well on opponents at HB but I'd try the other end too. You never know. Mooney mentioned 2 contests he had with Gibbs, thought he had him only to be out bodied by Gibbs both times. Hall spoke about Gibbs clashed with with Goodes. Hall apparently said that Gibbs was the only one that could actually monster (interesting he used that word) Goodes in contests hence beat him in near every clash. It was interesting to hear that. Problem is he hasn't got a position or role. Give him a man then he seems to lift alot.

That tells us how good Gibbs is...all the rest of the bla bla negative bla is perception...and I don't know how anyone considers the crap some supporters (pffft experts) say about him. Fools...yep...fools

Your signature provides us with enough evidence of who the fool is.

Maybe...and I hope not...but it looks that way...but it better not be.

I'm desperate to see my 13 Carlton GF and see us win the 17th flag...before I retire...then I can look forward to the 18th 19th and 20th in my retirement.[/quote]

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