Players who have improved:

Kreuzer
Hampson
Henderson
Touhy

Players who are performing at the same level as last year:

Judd
Scotland
Simpson
Murphy
Walker
Betts
Thornton
Lucas
Carrazzo

Players who have gone backwards:

Robinson
Gibbs
Jamison
Duigan
Garlett
Russell
Joesph
Bower
Yarran
Laidler
Warnock
Mclean
Armfield
Watson
Waite
Ellard
Curnow
White

The above 31 are the ones that are going to take us the premiership. The other players on the list i have not included

Unfortunately not enough have improved at this point in time for us to be a serious contender in 2012.

See the glass ceiling thread

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How has Bower gone backwards in 2012?

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A bit rough on Yarran aswell,,,,,he's missed more games than he has played !!!

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Laidler's missed half the games we've played.
Yarran's missed half the games we've played.
Ellard's missed most of the games we've played.
Warnock's been injured and hasn't played.
White's been injured and hasn't played.
Russell, Bower and Armfield are about the same as last year.

Pathetic thread.

We're not Melbourne.

Let the blood run free!

That's Roy for you.

rhino, we might become Melbourne if we don't start being excellent!

that's the point!

we are massively behind where we should be.

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Nothing wrong with the thread, I just question some players rated as going backwards when they had little contribution last year.

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look

when a team has forty odd on their list and we have a heap of tall players not playing and a heap of half back flank players not playing and we are crying out for mids and the cupboard is bare that will happen!

midfielders are the most important group of players.

you always need more of those not less!

they make everyone else play better!

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Bower
Yarran
Laidler
Warnock
Mclean
Armfield
Waite
Ellard

What's your criteria ?
Observation ?
Stats ?
Supercoach ?

We need to start converting some of our flankers into mids....

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Forget about players improving and think about team improving.

Some might go backwards in a number of facets of their game but step up in one other that helps the team more. Steps up in a way that helps someone else step up in way they never thought they could.

5-2 is the issue. Not great but its a different season this year and its opened up for a number of teams. 8-2 would be pretty good.

This.

Roy, to put it bluntly, I suggest calming the @#$%&! down before you post. That list of four names is much longer than you believed at the time of posting.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

The only senior player who has really made strides this season is Hampson.

Zac has made progress, but not a big step. Kreuz has had some better games but some quiet ones too. Hendo has maintained his fine form of late last year.

I'd give Carrazzo a tick as well but he's only played 3 games.

We need young players to push up past the likes of Thornton, Russell, Bower, Joseph and McLean. They haven't done that and they didn't do it last year either. In fact, Tuohy and Lucas are the only Carlton developed players in our best 30 to have debuted in the last three seasons.

Bower has rebounded from the past two seasons, and I personally believe he is ahead of where he was in 2009. It's not AA form, but it's another bloke who can do a job well.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Everyone on the Bombers list.

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In 2009 Bower was a good user of the football. In 2012 Bower butchers the ball more than most on the list and it is a reflection of the development programs at Carlton that Bower has not improved.

So you mean he went backwards sometime between 2009 and 2012, most likely 2010-11 when he was overrun with injury.

Actually improved in 2012.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Q: Has any player actually improvedin 2012?

Then you list 4 players who have, so my answer would be Yes..

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