Does anyone know Gibbs' goalkicking stats? For someone whose field kicking is A grade his goal kicking is B grade. That one he missed in the last quarter swung a mile left to right. I'm about as confident with him kicking for goal as I am with Simmo.

On the positional changes - although Hendo has been terrific in the backline this year, he still needs to be able to go forward if required. It seems he's become more of a permanent defender than Jamison and Bower which I find crazy. With Waite have one of his too regular shockers last night I thought that switching the two of them was well worth a shot. Riewoldt is not the player he once was and even if he got hold of Waite we had to do something to win the game, for mine it would have been a risk worth taking.

Henderson/Waite swap was pretty obvious for me as well.

The fact we are so rigid and predictable in our moves in frustrating. Jamo was always going to be the one going forward, all because he had some impact against Hawthorn last year. Has done nothing up forward.

Even throwing AJ up forward for some defensive pressure when he was struggling early?

Hendo is playing really well down back why would you risk messing with his form to move him forward

If you have a problem forward stuff up the backline

We were beaten by their small forwards yesterday we leaked goals we kicked enough to win the game we just let to many through diwn tbe other end

Russell Duigan Joseph Touhy let their little blokes off the leash and they cut us up
Waite was beaten but so was Kosi

You have 28-30 shots on goal and that should win you games you leak the same down the other end and you will get beaten

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I would love to see 1AW moved into the midfield on a more permanant basis. I think his speed and fitness would be a huge asset. Does anyone know why this hasn't been used to full effect yet?

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I think others can play Hendo's role down back - especially when Laidler is back but who else can we trial at CHF?

I am not a fan of the 3 ruckmen idea - I think it destroys our ability to pressure the opposition.

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I dont think others can play his role at all - He has been terrific down back and don't think he has been beaten all year - We have a positional winner why change it

we are getting plenty of shots on goal with the exception of the Freo game and with a little more accuracy we would have kicked more - at least 4 easy goals were missed monday

we have to look at where we are losing the game and it has been 3 areas if you ask me

Lack of pressure with teams coming out of defence - we were good at this last year we seem to do it is patches now 5 or 10 minutes every 2nd or 3rd quarter we need to keep that up

we have to start winning the clearances again and whilst we have a bloke sitting in the two's who can average 6-10 clearances a game and yet we are getting smashed in the ones because he doesnt run and spread

We have to stop conceeding goals to opposition smalls we are getting caught out we press to far up the ground and they catch us out the back - they are doing what we used to do

14 - 16 goals will win you most games in the two games we have lost we have been exposed going the other way

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I think its all structure

Back 6 is wrong - too tall - lets their small Forwards run and kick goals

Forward 6 is wrong - too small - lets their backs sweep the ball out because we cannot mark (or knock the ball down) in dangerous positions.

As for the midfield - it might be a case of just changing it up (see BV's post and Paul Roos' explanation) but I agree we need an extractor like Brock - shit give him 4 weeks or so and let us see 'cos right now staying the same isn't going to achieve anything.

I know Hendo is doing well but in the end we need to fix that Forward structure because relying on Waite and a ruckman will not win us a flag - it will win us games against lesser sides but I want the cup.

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..half forward is our weakest spot by far, in my opinion.. ..Gibbs needs to be given a hff to make his own, it's both his 'natural position', and also i think our best option for that position.. ..Scotland can easily do the role Gibbs' is currently doing now, and i believe do it better..

..we also have no-one playing a bonafide CHF role, and our best option for that is Hendo.. ..yes he's developing nicely down back, but he's only just racked up 50 games, an interrupted 50 at that.. ..he's gonna be developing nicely whether fwd or back, he's a quality kpp coming thru.. ..with renewed confidence in his own ability, i think he's got the best 'running patterns' of any tall to play CHF.. ..he also runs straight at the ball carrier and will run thru packs for the ball.. ..he's more team orientated in that role too, vs others trying to kick low percentage goals..

..when fit enough, Yarran to play wing.. ..hopefully sooner rather than later..

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Hendo might be developing nicely down back, but the only reason he is there is because Jamo went out injured. Jamo is back, and Hendo is still there. I thought he was doing nicely up forward and was a good set shot for goal. Waite, as our marking option up forward, is not working. T-Bird and Hendo up forward can be our tall timber there, Waite to the backline where he doesn't need to mark the ball, which he is clearly struggling with, only punch it away if need be.

no no no ><

walkers best season by far was last year ... as a forward ... where he pleaded with the coach to play him

forward with spells in the mid

i would change walkers role at all

do like the idea of gibbs forward

we need him damaging teams and def need a skillful player up there and delivering it inside

his goal kicking is fine bar monday night

jamo up forward doesnt work, not sure we should mess with hendo although we might not have a chance

waite has been shotty all year apart from the brissy game

Find myself agreeing with Roos who stated that Kreuzer needs to play CHF to give us a bail out kick. Matty doesn't have the speed and leap to play out of the square, but he does make an impact by locking it with his second efforts and one per centers 35 to 70 out. Had an impact against Essendon* and Richmond last year by leading out to mark it 35 to 80 out from goal. Great at holding onto the long kick to the wing. Such a mobile and competitive unit who competes harder than Koschitzke at ground level.

I don't see Mitchell, Rowe and Casboult coming up in the next two seasons for different reasons. My other option would be Watson as a big bodied lead up forward option who can contest, mark and kick. Even Wilkes has done that this year.

Carlton never fixed the Forward issue in the preseason. Didn't trade for KPP Forward, never looked at throwing a bone in the draft, so now we have a team that resembles the Western Bulldogs a few years ago. Never made a grand final, but were always in top 4. That is Carlton right now, till we find a full forward. Waite is a CHF, not FF. No team wins a flag with a incomplete spine. FF is our missing piece of the puzzle.

it is a knee jerk reaction to throw Henderson forward. Our backline is the only thing that we have set. When Jamo, laids, hendo, yarran, Duigan, Scotland are all playing, our back line is solid, so don't touch it.

Move gibbs to the midfield / forward role. Stop making him a tagger or lose man in defense. Get on the attack ratts.

Carltons biggest downfall is the midfield. When the midfield is shut down, our forward line falls apart, because they don't get 50 entries into the forward line and if they do the forward line is flooded with not enough key forwards that can take a big mark. Or we are forced to kick to the pockets or sharp angles to take marks.

I think teams have worked out Carlton, do a flood / pagans paddock. When they get the run, they have quick players running into 70m of open space. Essendon*/Saints have both beaten us with that. Both times, our midfield was smashed. It is a bit of a worry

Roos says Kruezer needs to play CHF

Correct me if i am wrong but Kruez spend 1/3rd of his game resting forward at the moment
Correct me if i am wrong but Kruez has kicked 3 goals 3 for the year

and yet Hammer who swaps with Kruezer has kicked 11 goals 2

Now if you were thinking of making one of these two a CHF who would you choose


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Kruez is not a CHF

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You're right, I think that's what they were going for in the later part of last year then he got injured.
This year again due to injuries in the back line he is filling holes.
Well I think the time has come to release him forward and let him become a focal point and allow someone else to fill the gap.
Shit we've got plenty like Duigen, Russell even Scottland to do that job.

depends on what you want the player to be doing at that role!

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Why do we feel the need to change players from a position that is working for them and the team when we lose a game.
Henderson has played his best footy for us in the back line.
Waite has been taking over 10 marks a game.
Why would you need to change these two around.

Look at the game and see where we lost it don't just make wholesale changes for the sake of it.

Waite needed to lead and work harder and so did our smalls.

Gibbs needs to work in tandem with Walker.
Both changing on and off the ball in the forward line will create havoc.
Both have good disposal, are measured, good over head skills and can create forward options.
I would also like to see Russell and Touhy go through the middle.

I just wish Hendo would stop thinking he’s Usain Bolt when he takes opponents on

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Kreuzer CHF....Hammer and 206 Rucks.

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How about we just give cloke 1mill, problem solved. Will have one of the best teams

I wouldn't love anything more than stealing cloke from the pies and seeing all the pies supporters and eddie spew. Would be great to see

Kruz to FF, has to play 30m max from goal with Jeffy & eddy at his feet.

Hammer & 206 Ruck duties only

Waite CHF

Walker has to play more mid field, has pace, size & grunt.

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