In The Age today. 'There's a growing feeling that Carlton lacks a general menace and aggression that good sides have".

God, I hated reading that, 'cos it's true.

Weve been btching as supporters about what happened to Carrazzo was a whole month....and how bad that Essendon* guy was who injured our Carrots.

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What's really funny about that is that I was at the GWS game (if they're going to name a club after me the least I can do is turn up) with Moshe and just after he said that you were clearly a psychopath (or words to similar effect) I said that I actually found myself agreeing with you at times lately...

What happened to the good old days when Pagan was Pagan and Smorgon was... whatever he was?

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Still angry about last night.
It was a wet cold night, had work the next day, paid my $20 to sit on level 3.
I made an effort, i showed up.
Why didnt the team?

It s true until we prove otherwise.

Not worried about menace and aggression so much, just want the ability to absorb what the other side throws at us and go about our business. Even in our premiership years we've nearly really been menacing or aggressive physically but those sides had the ability to absorb opposition pressure and win the flag. We had worse losses than last night in those years.

I'm not one for losing all perspective, as many do, after a bad loss.

I realised last night this group is not going to win a premiership. They don't have the heart.
It's going to be painful and I feel it will be heartbreaking in the end.
We are going to feel more pain unfortunately, something I never thought I would associate with this great club.
The dilemma I have now is, do I keep supporting with my head or heart?

That's a good post.

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The only player we drafted who had real aggression was Grigg but carlton MC just would not give him a crack at it can not really blame him quitting the footy club

Grigg is the future?

FMD.

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Mitch Robinson?

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L.M 35-06

Ya know what?
I read Jim's post and thought it was great, and true.
Then I read Surrey's post and agreed with that too.

It's not black and white.(perish the thought.)
It's a process. You work through the stages, and hope by Sunday you're back on board as a supporter.
Some don't go through the anger and grief, they take a philosophical view, and hold a bigger picture in mind. Others believe in burning the clubhouse down and rebuilding.
Most of us are inbetween, riding the waves along with the coach
...or opposed to the coach....
well,
you know what I mean.
It will hurt bad if we rinse and repeat.
I have to believe we won't.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

I bet Judd would love having him around the stoppages doing all the hack work

If the players weren't giving interviews, there would be people on here accusing the club of insularity, lacking transparency and accountability, not engaging with the supporters etc.

They have a continued visible media presence and some think it is adversely affecting team performance. Club can't win either way on this one.

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True, everyone thought we were chokers and crumbled under pressure even in 95 when we win all those games in a row. We also had 2 losses that season which were miles worse than both losses this season. Perception only really changed when we won the flag.

Speaking of 95, I remember after round 9 when we had lost our 2nd in a row being goalless into the 3rd term against lowly St kilda, no one thought at that point we would go on to win the flag in such emphatic fashion.

Big difference between that side and this was we thought it was our last chance, no one at the club or outside (including supporters) was getting ahead of themselves at all, it was more we simply couldn't let what happened in 93/94 to happen again, that spurred everyone on. This side doesn't have that hurt or sense of everything hanging on this year. At least from what I have seen so far.

Point is we don't know the future and we are 5-2 at the moment, so hardly a disaster yet.

We have a lot of the raw materials, but more is needed. I know Synbad goes on, but he is right that it's about lifting standards for everyone at the club, and we either need to develop another key forward or draft one, same with some hard nuts in the middle.

you watched grigg lately?

stands alone on a wing - hardly doing any grunt work at richmond

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Grigg is a one sided uncontested softcock......don't get fooled by his cheap possies for the tiges. he'll get found out

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That was my concern before this game and even posted these concerns on TC. We have stumbled at every point in time previously at these opportunities only this time it was for top position. Top position. Any footballer or football team worth anything would fight tooth and nail at this very stage of the road. We gave up without a wimper........again. Made StKilda look like premiership favourites.
I made a vow that if we stumbled at this given position this week, I will call it how I see it and not be delusional about this team again. Last year cost us top 4 - this year will cost us a final in Melbourne!
I intend to keep this vow until proven different.

Real Aggression???? Real Aggression???? Now I've heard everything. You want someone at Carlton who is willing to fight and the moment things didn't go his way he took his bat and ball home. Real Aggression????? Spare me please.



Regards Cazzesman

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