It's easy we play like two bob millionaire, lazy, selfish and stupid football.
I cannot understand our game plan. We lose the ball from the contest and we all give up.
Are we that confident that a turn over will occur that we don’t chase or do we think that someone up the ground will stop the onslaught.
We struggle to have shots on goal and go out to the pocket and they have and open free for all forward line with shots at will.
Does the Brains trust somehow think this is working? or haven’t they have got any other ideas?
Seriously you can swap and change during the game it’s not illegal.
Do we think that football is a non contact sport?
I think that martial artist they’ve got down there should start bitch slapping some players to get them use to a bit of physicality.
The whole team and MC should really re-evaluate their goals for the rest of the season or change their strategies and work ethic as to not become another St Kilda of the 10’s.

I'm sorry.

Beau Wilkes in your side SHOULD automatically scratch any side from flag contention.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

LETS FACE IT...

We are coached by a former great and from all accounts a really decent bloke but with a clear inability grasp the fundamental structures and game plans required to consistently win football games.

1. Simple fact is the game has moved on from the full forward 80 press as teams have become more accustomed to working through it. This press (which came across from Collingwood via Brown last year) is yesterday's tactics. Time to move on !!!
2. Our coaching group have not worked that out….and hence the players are forced to continually bang their heads against a brick wall (while Rats blames poor forward entries and a lack of intensity- which is absolute rubbish!!!)
3. St Kilda flooded the stoppages and even our defensive 50 making it difficult for us to score when going forward always having a +1/2 behind our last forward
4. In contrast, we push all the way up the ground leaving acres of space for your forwards/midfielders to run into when you got the ball out and over the zone.

People go on about Rats’ positional moves (eg. Joseph as a back pocket – which is a joke) and his inability to make moves during a game (eg. Waite to the backline when he was clearly having a shocker – due largely to the points above)...but this is not the fundamental issue.

The biggest problem is that he lacks a basic awareness of how to structure a winning game plan…Essendon* beat us exactly the same way as St Kilda did.

Don’t tell me for one second that Saad, Milera & Milne are much better than Walker, Betts and Garlett….they are just provided with a game plan and structure that allowed them to play in a way that maximises their strengths and opportunities.

Now unlike ‘others’, I am not jumping on this bandwagon in a johnny come lately fashion. I have been telling anyone that cares to listen for nearly two years that Ratten is simply not capable to fulfil his duties of getting the best of the list at his disposal !

In a perverse sort of way, our finials win against Essendon* last year was a curse …

The St Kilda focussed comments don’t sit well with me at all. I want to hear what the players think they did wrong, and what they plan to do to rectify it.

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"I had to eat"

I'd rather them simply say they were beaten then go back and begin preparations for next week. All the tosh in the media about how we were going to counter Hreewoldt etc was silly at the time, and even sillier now that we were smashed everywhere else in the contest.

Don't say, do!!!

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Totally agree with this - why are we just brushing it off on the public record as being "Oh well they are a good team"? We should be saying wqe expected to win, didn't work hard enough in areas x, y and z, the players are filthy with themselves and have vowed to improve areas x, y and z on Sunday to put the season back on track.

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I'm shocked to be sitting here

Dont waste your time dude....it's got nothing to do with the coach....it's a mental thing....

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I suggested in the drafting threads last year that we should grab Saad from the Bullants; and I recall that Heavs asked ''how could we?''......well....St.Kilda drafted him; and we saw his talents last night.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

Possibly we didn't because we have talented small forwards already, but then,
can you ever have enough?
It's just so disappointing tha we didn't match the hardness and intensity at the ball of the Saints.
I'm sure we have before. It's the uncertainty that haunts you when you realise your side cannot yet play consistently strong footy.
It seems to be a hunger thng, but...I wonder for instance, if it was also that Mitch and Jammo weren't quite right? When Mitch is firing, most things are possible, even when a couple of our midfielders are being tagged, but that didn't happen. The ball just got choked down all the time. A horrible experience last nite, and I hope wholeheartedly, that the boys are capable of a lot more fight when the heat is on.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

I hope your lucky socks have been turfed bg.

I am always disappointed in the aunts games because it seems we turn up to play football and the brogans turn up to play a game of intimidation. Same as the hawks. I can only assume that there is a school of thought out there that carlton are a bunch of fast little boys that crumple when given a bump.

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hands up if you're a sycophant!

Should we just adopt the Bombers/Saints gameplan then?

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when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

Feelgood Hit of the Winter - GHRP-2, GHRP-6, CJC-1295, AOD-9604, Humanofort and Hexarelin

Yet had he played, we still would have been smashed at the stoppages

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"I had to eat"

Why didn't Ratts swap Henderson and Waite around....wasn't it worth a try?

Hendo came to us as a forward; and we had no one to kick to last night except Waite, who always leads out to the boundary line.....so predictable.

To me; Gibbs is not worth his place in the side; and is far too casual in his approach....Lenny Hayes and DalSanto showed us how to play last night.....hard and relentless.

St.Kilda played us like a practice match......it was embarrassing.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

Carlton played like it was a practice match, St Kilda played with intent and committment.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Similar to the Bulldogs under Eade. Too much reliance on clean movement.

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#DonTheStash

You wouldnt think it if you watched last nights game but we are very low on the scores against this year. We must be doing something right.

...but yes teams are cutting us off at the source and we are lost without that clean exciting ball movement away from stoppages.

I reckon we got worked up trying to get that going that we took too many risks and the ball came out of packs on their terms far too easy. That was something that didnt happen in rounds 1-3.
We need to tighten our defence in those stoppages.

I've disagreed with you in the past KK but I totally agree. And I'll even re-state what I've said before, fearing no derision or mock - In a strange way, Thornton is one of our most important players.
Plays back and forward quite well
Good kick
Good contested mark

And on another issue, Gibbs needs to be played as a permanent HF-mid. Give him 10 possessions and you can guarantee 3-4 goals/goal assists. If he's getting tagged, drag his opp to the square, if his opponebt drags him out of f50, have a predetermined swap(s) ready
Do it Ratts Gibbs to HF

One last issue - Have we f%^&ed up on Watson or am I being too impatient. Doesn't look like he's even close

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Please refer to TBBWWR post late last nite for your answer JJ.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Shizen performance last night to say the least. We've become too predictable and are too reliant on perfect unaccountable football. Sure it looks exciting when we get going but teams have worked us out and just congest the space around a stoppage. The coaching staff have to have a secondary plan when things dont go our way. We're not proactive enough and when we do react, the games already lost.

IMO, we're atleast one grunt inside midfielder (lewis, hayes, selwood) type, and definately need to rejig our forward line. The amount of times the ball went in to only rebound right out was terrible.

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"His house looked like shit!"