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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:15 pm 
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Still too flakey. We are at our worse against middle ladder teams who hunt us and dont let us play the way we want to play. Bottom of ladder teams are just crap and we do ok against the better teams that have their own game style and dont make major changes for anybody.

Teams know how we want to move the ball forward. Eade was talking about on the telly. Teams are all over our stoppage and ball movement. They want to cut it at the source so they congest the stoppages. Strategic guy RIchardson needs to come up with a way to beat this our we are screwed. We will have our ups and downs this year like last year and the year before that.

On top of being mentally flakey we are also sadly out of touch. The amount of times we looked to have won the ball and then coughed it up while teammates are on the attacking spread was terrible. Costly too.
Our backline was not balanced and the coaches need to take the blame there. We needed two talls and the rest zippy midfielder defender types. Not Duigan, Henda, Jamo and Bower. Far too lumbery and the reason their zippy forwards killed us and the reason we had no rebound at all.

Big week next week. Lots of soul searching midweek and we deserve the treatment the Hawks got after the swans game from the media.

PS Sorry for boring you all last week about training loads. My theory was way off the mark. There is something to it but i clearly got it wrong when thinking it relates to CFC over the last few weeks.


Also Bomber Thompson was asked "how did Essendon* beat Carlton" I didn't expect him to answer truthfully but he simply said "we saw them the week before against the Pies and they were just allowed to run wild. Our plan was just numbers around the contest and don't let them run"

Pure genius.

So it became apparent after about 15 minutes that the Saints would do the same and we countered this tried and true tactic with.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................nothing until halfway through the last quarter and that didn't work.


On the bright side, if we come up with a way to counter this gameplan we'll be pretty bloody hard to beat :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:16 pm 
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This team is MENTALLY WEAK and IMMATURE. Until these issues can be resolved they will not be a true finals side.
The team cannot handle expectation and seems to play cautious negative football whenever they perceive any pressure.
The players are too scared to take on the game and when they do their kicking skills let them down.
A few home truths: Joseph, Bower, Russell, Diugan, are not up to it. Yes I said Diugan (has not played well this year)
Waite, Jamo, Garlett- In horrid form.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:16 pm 
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Isn't Jobe Watson 190cm, Pendlebury 191?

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:18 pm 
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simply disgusted

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:18 pm 
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The Milne goal where Tuohy had a block put on him by NDS shows either poor leadership amongst the midfield group or poor coaching. Fair enough Tuohy may get blocked but someone should have been in the space where the ball was tapped in to. Milne was given the block by NDS then had a million years to gather and goal. Quality teams don't give up goals like that.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:18 pm 
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They really didn't seem switched on tonight. Very reactive and quite slow. As a group they lifted late in the third and then faded away in the forth. I genuinely believed that they could have worn out a win just because of the last 5 minutes of the third quarter, purely due to their increase in work rate.

Ratten does have to take some blame for his inability to move players into more damaging positions. It was a no brainer that Waite was out of the game forward in the 2 nd term. Henderson did OK against Rieeoldt but why not get Waite into it and give Hendo a run up forward? Why did it take Ratten so long to sub AJ? He was getting belted, it never looked like he would figure Milne out. Why was our forward 50 so clogged? Get players to leave space and run into the 50 to give key forwards space. Why didn't our mids and defender get more accountable? The saints ran loose, this is coaching 101 stuff.

All in all it was a very disappointing effort.

AJ must be dropped. As probably does Bower and Russell.
T bird, Yarran and Lucas as sub should come in.

Ellard must start.
He was our spark when he came in purely due to his WORKRATE.

I am feeling blue tonight.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:18 pm 
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Don't know what happened to the workrate from the Collingwood match where everyone worked together and swarmed all over them in numbers.

:confused:

Cop out to bag Curnow who was working hard all night, but didn't have anyone running past to give it to. We had no targets and space inside fifty.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:20 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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BUT.. "our army of 190 cm athletic super freaks who can run and jump " according to Kouta on here... will give the opposition PAIN!

Play the ball, not the man.

Go to the kitchen if you want a bite.

Play the ball like our army of 190 cms running jumping super athletic freaks drafted???

Look... i know youre disappointed..!!!.. your dreams have been smashed!!!... bashed senseless by Essendon* and StKilda with the hard teams yet to come... but im pointing out your theory is full of holes....
Cos you didnt believe we needed guys that have to be capable of getting their hands on the ball..

In case you missed the point.......

Drafting Midfielders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Drafting non specialist positioned army of 190 cms running jumping superfreako half back flankers....

We cant get our hands on the ball...

So we have to chase a super duper slow side like StKilda all over the park.

Take out all the bullshit...

football is simple.

Have guys find the ball.. (win the ball ) NOT ONE GUY CALLED JUDD !!!)... and execute....
Simple game.....

The other players are periphery types... (FLANKS is a peripheral area compared to centre)

But its ok... we have Adelaide this week....



oi, you...shouldn' ya be running Synners bar, or scoffing away in Bar Humbug, instead of milling around scoffing at everyone?

aww, what the hec...tell me one more time how we need more mid fielders, etc, and pass me a triple scotch while you're at it. :razz:

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:20 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
club29 wrote:
Still too flakey. We are at our worse against middle ladder teams who hunt us and dont let us play the way we want to play. Bottom of ladder teams are just crap and we do ok against the better teams that have their own game style and dont make major changes for anybody.

Teams know how we want to move the ball forward. Eade was talking about on the telly. Teams are all over our stoppage and ball movement. They want to cut it at the source so they congest the stoppages. Strategic guy RIchardson needs to come up with a way to beat this our we are screwed. We will have our ups and downs this year like last year and the year before that.

On top of being mentally flakey we are also sadly out of touch. The amount of times we looked to have won the ball and then coughed it up while teammates are on the attacking spread was terrible. Costly too.
Our backline was not balanced and the coaches need to take the blame there. We needed two talls and the rest zippy midfielder defender types. Not Duigan, Henda, Jamo and Bower. Far too lumbery and the reason their zippy forwards killed us and the reason we had no rebound at all.

Big week next week. Lots of soul searching midweek and we deserve the treatment the Hawks got after the swans game from the media.

PS Sorry for boring you all last week about training loads. My theory was way off the mark. There is something to it but i clearly got it wrong when thinking it relates to CFC over the last few weeks.


Also Bomber Thompson was asked "how did Essendon* beat Carlton" I didn't expect him to answer truthfully but he simply said "we saw them the week before against the Pies and they were just allowed to run wild. Our plan was just numbers around the contest and don't let them run"

Pure genius.

So it became apparent after about 15 minutes that the Saints would do the same and we countered this tried and true tactic with.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................nothing until halfway through the last quarter and that didn't work.


On the bright side, if we come up with a way to counter this gameplan we'll be pretty bloody hard to beat :thumbsup:


That's a pretty bloody big IF you're throwing around there...


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:21 pm 
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MIL wrote:
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The head coach makes a difference.

Essendon*.

Hird.

Essendon* have a list that is not as talented as ours, yet they would be amongst the favourites for the Grand Final at the moment.

Make no mistake, I love Ratts and the contribution he's made to our club, but I have serious misgivings about his coaching ability.

This is a game we should have won, and comfortably. Even St Kilda at their best are a team we should've spanked.

We have the cattle, so that's not an excuse.

Tonight we were outclassed, and that's ridiculous.

If someone had suggested that we would be 5-2 after the first six rounds, given the opposition we've faced, as a prospective premiership contender, I would've said it's not acceptable.

Given the quality of players we have, it's a damning indictment on the coach and his staff that we lost tonight.


Some of the players on the park tonight were far from quality. Joseph is a battler at best, Curnow not much better, and what to make of Waite :?: We seriously lack depth if we can't cover three players (Yazz, Carrots and Laidler).


The problem is that we have depth.

Joseph has been a good player for us, but was awful tonight, and he wasn't alone.

I don't have a problem with the quality of our list, but I am starting to have doubts about our coach, and not just because of tonight's game.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:21 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Turn up one week, criticize player for being inconsistent and not being able to string two good games together.

Don't bother turning up next two weeks when we win.

thats called freedom.

People died for it.

No point turning up against GWS ....

I know they won a game... but they ran us close too.



Now your take on the game Rhino.

Were you expecting that???

Is that how you thought this game should have gone?

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:22 pm 
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JackWorrall wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
JackWorrall wrote:
The head coach makes a difference.

Essendon*.

Hird.

Essendon* have a list that is not as talented as ours, yet they would be amongst the favourites for the Grand Final at the moment.

Make no mistake, I love Ratts and the contribution he's made to our club, but I have serious misgivings about his coaching ability.

This is a game we should have won, and comfortably. Even St Kilda at their best are a team we should've spanked.

We have the cattle, so that's not an excuse.

Tonight we were outclassed, and that's ridiculous.

If someone had suggested that we would be 5-2 after the first six rounds, given the opposition we've faced, as a prospective premiership contender, I would've said it's not acceptable.

Given the quality of players we have, it's a damning indictment on the coach and his staff that we lost tonight.


Not to mention pretty hard to achieve.


Muy malo on my arithmetical part.

The point still stands notwithstanding my typo.

Yes, we were missing Laidler, Yarran and Carrazzo, but all good teams have injuries and still compete effectively.

Top coaches have their teams playing as a unit, which I think we don't do.

Coaches such as Mick Malthouse were able to get average players achieve well above their best.

Our problem is not playing talent.


Well... having so many small utilities running around not getting enough of the ball doesn't help.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:24 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Don't know what happened to the workrate from the Collingwood match where everyone worked together and swarmed all over them in numbers.

:confused:

Cop out to bag Curnow who was working hard all night, but didn't have anyone running past to give it to. We had no targets and space inside fifty.

Wait!

Do you think clubs are now playing us the same way as Collingwood played us???

Do you see anything different.. in the way teams are playing us???

Ill give you a hint... watch the midfield.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:24 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Still too flakey. We are at our worse against middle ladder teams who hunt us and dont let us play the way we want to play. Bottom of ladder teams are just crap and we do ok against the better teams that have their own game style and dont make major changes for anybody.

Teams know how we want to move the ball forward. Eade was talking about on the telly. Teams are all over our stoppage and ball movement. They want to cut it at the source so they congest the stoppages. Strategic guy RIchardson needs to come up with a way to beat this our we are screwed. We will have our ups and downs this year like last year and the year before that.

On top of being mentally flakey we are also sadly out of touch. The amount of times we looked to have won the ball and then coughed it up while teammates are on the attacking spread was terrible. Costly too.
Our backline was not balanced and the coaches need to take the blame there. We needed two talls and the rest zippy midfielder defender types. Not Duigan, Henda, Jamo and Bower. Far too lumbery and the reason their zippy forwards killed us and the reason we had no rebound at all.

Big week next week. Lots of soul searching midweek and we deserve the treatment the Hawks got after the swans game from the media.

PS Sorry for boring you all last week about training loads. My theory was way off the mark. There is something to it but i clearly got it wrong when thinking it relates to CFC over the last few weeks.



I am absolutely gutted - and this post sums it up perfectly.


I am beyond angry.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:26 pm 
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Isn't Jobe Watson 190cm, Pendlebury 191?

yes and half back flanker types too....

yep

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:30 pm 
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WOW wrote:
This has been the most disappointing game in a very long time. We have all been waiting patiently over the last few years for the blues to become a real contender and give this premiership a shake. After the Collingwood game I started to really believe that this could be the year. After tonight, I have lost hope. We haven't been any good since that game and I don't see us finishing in the top four. My biggest concern is that our premiership window may close a bit sooner than we all expect. That would be a disaster. Sorry for the negativity. This one hurts.


unfortunately I agree with everything in this post - will take a lot to turn around our season from here. :cry:

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:30 pm 
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Just back.

Very disappointing, particularly as the old saint witch across the isle got away with it. F'n aints. They are all witches and fat arsed goons. I hate losing to that slime. I feel dirty.....

Ok, so tonight we got smashed around the clearances. I reckon since collingwood we have not won them cleanly. Murph is definitely oof, and Waite was pathetic after quarter time. Dropped his head. I thought the back line was ok given the onslaught they copped. Gibbs good in the middle but fails to impose himself, and Simmo had a poor night.

They played as well as they have for 18 months.

We have definitely lost our mojo. I reckon essenscum smacked it out of us. We are not making it happen, we are waiting for it to happen. recipe for disaster.

Time for some home truths: we are not as good as we think.

It's only May. There's plenty of time to get it right. But we need some urgency and desperation.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:33 pm 
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haha.

Got on StKilda @ $4.25.

I'm actually gonna load it all up on Adelaide this week.

Why?.............................................because we are carrying passengers, yet again. And some of them aren't on the ground....... they're runing the show.

Ratten has shown nothing new. I feel he is just plodding along thinking that we are worthy of winning a premiership but not knowing how to actually win one.
The likes of Russell / Joeseph / Gibbs / Armfield and others need to pull their @#$%&! heads in. Stop playing like millionaires. Your not! Your average players at best.

Pfft............. we're premiership favourites????? Whatever!

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:35 pm 
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Same old shit get a chance to prove ourselves and F#$K things up agian. A bunch of rockstars that get bashed and bullied when challenged.
I blame the coaching staff and for good reason WE ARE TO PREDICTABLE!!!
How can they not see that if the oppoisition put even an ounce of research into us we are figured out and against the well drilled teams in the comp we are helpless. Ive never bagged the coaches but at the same time never beleived in them 100%
Against ess i thought it was maybe just a stumple along the way but tonight tells us there is issues big problems


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:35 pm 
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shove your smug gambling bragging up your arse

betting on the opposition

what was it $10? $20

nobody cares

get @#$%&!

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