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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:57 pm 
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london blue wrote:
ahhhhhhhh........................perspective is a wonderful thing............yeh sure a loss on a Monday night - when the week has only started - stings.

but then again the reality of it all is that we were not good enough. our clearance work this year has been average to say the least.

until we get a better quality midfield we will struggle. carrotts is a big loss, cant expect scotland to go on forever and curnow.....well he has to go!


We chose Gibbs over Selwood when Hughsie was on record as saying that he rated Selwood the best in the draft, so Gibbs is no automatic..........flower those dodgy knees of his :banghead: :banghead:

Agree re Curnow, he is just a battler. There's a reason that Adelaide weren't playing him.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:58 pm 
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Good summary club29 with regard to the backline. We had 16 marks inside 50 to 9 so that indicates a lot of their goals were scored from ground play not key forwards.

Jamison way out of form. Normally we create scores from the half back line with Laidler floating across as well as Duigan for intercepting marks. Laidler isn't there and Duigan looks extremely slow, when the ball hits the deck he is goneski.

I would like a comparison of forward 50 tackles this year compared to last. St Kilda 34 rebound 50s to 23. Teams have done it to us a lot this year. Unless the ball goes out of bounds and we can get a stoppage it gets swept out.

Even competition.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:59 pm 
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You're only as good as your supporter base.

In which case, we're incredibly soft, fickle, only go when it suits us, take the soft, cheap option without fail, turn on our own at the drop of a hat, snipers left right and centre, and more concerned about our own individual performance in looking good, rather than how the team went.

Pissweak.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Poor tackling with the Saints consistently getting their hands free and losing possession to drop the ball. So much for our grappling and tackling work we did in the pre-season. Lack strength in the contest.

Armfield shouldn't be allowed to kick in the backline. You could see the turnover coming as they pressured him and forced him to kick wide. Ditto for Bower with the poorly weighted kicks that show too much to the opposition. Need Yarran and Laidler back. And some question why Gibbs is played back.

Coaches should have pushed Henderson forward and Waite back, but they just persisted with the set up that wasn't working. Have to go wide because we lack a big body there who can stand under the pack. Thornton was dropped, but he's another lead up target like Waite and Walker. He wouldn't have been the difference as a forward. Arguably more valuable than Bower.

Saints showed us up under the roof with Koschitzke, Riewoldt, Wilkes and Stanley forward. They went short, short and then long to tall targets in space. They separated our backline and got clean ball because no one was pressuring. That's why Saad, Milne and Milera were dangerous tonight. Russell had a shocking bounce, but it's inexcusable that no one was goal side and supporting him. IIRC, one of the tallest players on the ground in Stanley was free with no one between him and goals. Pretty unforgiveable set up.

Not playing team footy with four players going for the ball instead of blocking for each other.

Idiotic and reactionary to pot Carlton for not getting Saad who had a paddock to work in. He would have struggled if he was in Garlett's or Betts' shoes. Ellard did more because he's hungry for the contest.



Do you think we were often tackling cos we didnt have the ball enough???

When youre chasing arses tackles dont stick too well......

We checked out more arses tonight than a Greek in Brazil....

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:01 pm 
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Does anybody have Steven Kernahan and Brett Rattens e-mail?


brett_ratten@hotmail.com

I talk to him on MSN sometimes.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Kouta wrote:
Poor tackling with the Saints consistently getting their hands free and losing possession to drop the ball. So much for our grappling and tackling work we did in the pre-season. Lack strength in the contest.

Armfield shouldn't be allowed to kick in the backline. You could see the turnover coming as they pressured him and forced him to kick wide. Ditto for Bower with the poorly weighted kicks that show too much to the opposition. Need Yarran and Laidler back. And some question why Gibbs is played back.

Coaches should have pushed Henderson forward and Waite back, but they just persisted with the set up that wasn't working. Have to go wide because we lack a big body there who can stand under the pack. Thornton was dropped, but he's another lead up target like Waite and Walker. He wouldn't have been the difference as a forward. Arguably more valuable than Bower.

Saints showed us up under the roof with Koschitzke, Riewoldt, Wilkes and Stanley forward. They went short, short and then long to tall targets in space. They separated our backline and got clean ball because no one was pressuring. That's why Saad, Milne and Milera were dangerous tonight. Russell had a shocking bounce, but it's inexcusable that no one was goal side and supporting him. IIRC, one of the tallest players on the ground in Stanley was free with no one between him and goals. Pretty unforgiveable set up.

Not playing team footy with four players going for the ball instead of blocking for each other.

Idiotic and reactionary to pot Carlton for not getting Saad who had a paddock to work in. He would have struggled if he was in Garlett's or Betts' shoes. Ellard did more because he's hungry for the contest.



Do you think we were often tackling cos we didnt have the ball enough???

When youre chasing arses tackles dont stick too well......

We checked out more arses tonight than a Greek in Brazil....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Extradinarily disappointing result when top spot and being 6-1 with a healthy percentage was at stake.

I actually think we have gone a little bit backward in some ways. Compare our losses in 2010 to our losses in 2011 - most losses last year we gave it a good crack, where in 2010 we were just insipid. Not sure what the problem or the answer is though.

I really don't know how we can win the hitouts 60-25 and still get smacked at stoppages.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
You're only as good as your supporter base.

In which case, we're incredibly soft, fickle, only go when it suits us, take the soft, cheap option without fail, turn on our own at the drop of a hat, snipers left right and centre, and more concerned about our own individual performance in looking good, rather than how the team went.

Pissweak.


Fickle is not supporting your club through ten years of pain
Fickle is not letting your club leaders blow wind up your xxxx
However delusional is believing in a pipe dream that your coach president and board are incapable of delivering


Fair call.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:03 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
BUT.. "our army of 190 cm athletic super freaks who can run and jump " according to Kouta on here... will give the opposition PAIN!

Play the ball, not the man.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:05 pm 
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JackWorrall wrote:
The head coach makes a difference.

Essendon*.

Hird.

It's that guy who coached Geelong to flags who is orchestrating Essendon*'s moves.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:07 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
JackWorrall wrote:
The head coach makes a difference.

Essendon*.

Hird.

It's that guy who coached Geelong to flags who is orchestrating Essendon*'s moves.

Best to worry more about who's orchestrating ours....

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:08 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
You're only as good as your supporter base.

In which case, we're incredibly soft, fickle, only go when it suits us, take the soft, cheap option without fail, turn on our own at the drop of a hat, snipers left right and centre, and more concerned about our own individual performance in looking good, rather than how the team went.

Pissweak.


Fickle is not supporting your club through ten years of pain
Fickle is not letting your club leaders blow wind up your xxxx
However delusional is believing in a pipe dream that your coach president and board are incapable of delivering


10 years of pain and yet you only turn up when we lose?

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:08 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
I k now what should have happened if we were a good side.
I know what happened cos were not.

Its all bluff...

beating up on teams below par is nothing to proud of .

It just kids you.

Those kinds of games wont exist come finals.



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:09 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Kouta wrote:
JackWorrall wrote:
The head coach makes a difference.

Essendon*.

Hird.

It's that guy who coached Geelong to flags who is orchestrating Essendon*'s moves.

Best to worry more about who's orchestrating ours....


The point is still valid though.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:11 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
You're only as good as your supporter base.

In which case, we're incredibly soft, fickle, only go when it suits us, take the soft, cheap option without fail, turn on our own at the drop of a hat, snipers left right and centre, and more concerned about our own individual performance in looking good, rather than how the team went.

Pissweak.


Fickle is not supporting your club through ten years of pain
Fickle is not letting your club leaders blow wind up your xxxx
However delusional is believing in a pipe dream that your coach president and board are incapable of delivering


10 years of pain and yet you only turn up when we lose?


Well, I'd say with your scenario you put the egg before the chicken. Much of a muchness.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:13 pm 
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Still too flakey. We are at our worse against middle ladder teams who hunt us and dont let us play the way we want to play. Bottom of ladder teams are just crap and we do ok against the better teams that have their own game style and dont make major changes for anybody.

Teams know how we want to move the ball forward. Eade was talking about on the telly. Teams are all over our stoppage and ball movement. They want to cut it at the source so they congest the stoppages. Strategic guy RIchardson needs to come up with a way to beat this our we are screwed. We will have our ups and downs this year like last year and the year before that.

On top of being mentally flakey we are also sadly out of touch. The amount of times we looked to have won the ball and then coughed it up while teammates are on the attacking spread was terrible. Costly too.
Our backline was not balanced and the coaches need to take the blame there. We needed two talls and the rest zippy midfielder defender types. Not Duigan, Henda, Jamo and Bower. Far too lumbery and the reason their zippy forwards killed us and the reason we had no rebound at all.

Big week next week. Lots of soul searching midweek and we deserve the treatment the Hawks got after the swans game from the media.

PS Sorry for boring you all last week about training loads. My theory was way off the mark. There is something to it but i clearly got it wrong when thinking it relates to CFC over the last few weeks.


Also Bomber Thompson was asked "how did Essendon* beat Carlton" I didn't expect him to answer truthfully but he simply said "we saw them the week before against the Pies and they were just allowed to run wild. Our plan was just numbers around the contest and don't let them run"

Pure genius.

So it became apparent after about 15 minutes that the Saints would do the same and we countered this tried and true tactic with.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................nothing until halfway through the last quarter and that didn't work.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:13 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
JackWorrall wrote:
The head coach makes a difference.

Essendon*.

Hird.

Essendon* have a list that is not as talented as ours, yet they would be amongst the favourites for the Grand Final at the moment.

Make no mistake, I love Ratts and the contribution he's made to our club, but I have serious misgivings about his coaching ability.

This is a game we should have won, and comfortably. Even St Kilda at their best are a team we should've spanked.

We have the cattle, so that's not an excuse.

Tonight we were outclassed, and that's ridiculous.

If someone had suggested that we would be 5-2 after the first six rounds, given the opposition we've faced, as a prospective premiership contender, I would've said it's not acceptable.

Given the quality of players we have, it's a damning indictment on the coach and his staff that we lost tonight.


Not to mention pretty hard to achieve.


Muy malo on my arithmetical part.

The point still stands notwithstanding my typo.

Yes, we were missing Laidler, Yarran and Carrazzo, but all good teams have injuries and still compete effectively.

Top coaches have their teams playing as a unit, which I think we don't do.

Coaches such as Mick Malthouse were able to get average players achieve well above their best.

Our problem is not playing talent.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:13 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Synbad wrote:
BUT.. "our army of 190 cm athletic super freaks who can run and jump " according to Kouta on here... will give the opposition PAIN!

Play the ball, not the man.

Go to the kitchen if you want a bite.

Play the ball like our army of 190 cms running jumping super athletic freaks drafted???

Look... i know youre disappointed..!!!.. your dreams have been smashed!!!... bashed senseless by Essendon* and StKilda with the hard teams yet to come... but im pointing out your theory is full of holes....
Cos you didnt believe we needed guys that have to be capable of getting their hands on the ball..

In case you missed the point.......

Drafting Midfielders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Drafting non specialist positioned army of 190 cms running jumping superfreako half back flankers....

We cant get our hands on the ball...

So we have to chase a super duper slow side like StKilda all over the park.

Take out all the bullshit...

football is simple.

Have guys find the ball.. (win the ball ) NOT ONE GUY CALLED JUDD !!!)... and execute....
Simple game.....

The other players are periphery types... (FLANKS is a peripheral area compared to centre)

But its ok... we have Adelaide this week....

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:13 pm 
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JackWorrall wrote:
The head coach makes a difference.

Essendon*.

Hird.

Essendon* have a list that is not as talented as ours, yet they would be amongst the favourites for the Grand Final at the moment.

Make no mistake, I love Ratts and the contribution he's made to our club, but I have serious misgivings about his coaching ability.

This is a game we should have won, and comfortably. Even St Kilda at their best are a team we should've spanked.

We have the cattle, so that's not an excuse.

Tonight we were outclassed, and that's ridiculous.

If someone had suggested that we would be 5-2 after the first six rounds, given the opposition we've faced, as a prospective premiership contender, I would've said it's not acceptable.

Given the quality of players we have, it's a damning indictment on the coach and his staff that we lost tonight.


Some of the players on the park tonight were far from quality. Joseph is a battler at best, Curnow not much better, and what to make of Waite :?: We seriously lack depth if we can't cover three players (Yazz, Carrots and Laidler).


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:14 pm 
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Turn up one week, criticize player for being inconsistent and not being able to string two good games together.

Don't bother turning up next two weeks when we win.

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