Apart from losing to the scum ... yes .....

True but you must use that logic consistently. It seems to be always the players not having a go rather the list managment people missing something.

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He is having a great season and has been an important cog in the machine. He has been super important in all our wins this year. You have been misled as to what a Gibbs is and because of that you have the blinkers on. Re watch the game Keogh and try to think in terms of 2012 where the role Gibbs is playing is a legitimate one behind that ball that takes unique talents to perform at the level he does.

Also can someone tell me what minute of the game last week Gibbs was exposed for hardness against kids. The first half he was in the packs fighting it out with the best of them but was having minimal influence on the game because the positon he was playing in didnt play to his strengths and in the second half at HB he was brushing them aside like they were flies and was impassable.

..agreed.. ..it was also when he was moved more fwd of center as well.. ..like in '09 when he was used more thru the middle/fwd later in the season.. ..Gibbs as a sweeper behind the ball is good, but better used fwd of center and we break down more across half fwd these days than across half back..

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Seriously?

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Absolutely, there is no sugar coating it....

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Win this and we go to the top of the ladder. Go you good thing.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

FFS, bring back the Thursday night matches.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Ok I will address Kouta, Cazzeman and Club 29 individually
Cazzeman : Bradley was deemed a squib by many. He was in terms of going into packs and getting his pants dirty. But he more than made up for it with gut running and had a huge impact on games. So let me make it perfectly clear to you what I am trying to say. Just as it was a weakness in Bradley's game Gibbs often avoids body contact which can endanger his life. Fact. Whether that's important to a supporter of the club varies with the supporter.
What's more disappointing to me is when Gibbs is given a midfield roll he often doesnt deliver. His career has become one of tagging or playing on nobody as the sweeper. Important roll it is but for a number one draft pick I reckon you would expect him being tagged. When we used our pick to get him I am sure all supporters would have expected in the long term a guy rotating through the midfield and kicking 30 odd goals a year like he did at Glenelg as a 16 year old not a sweeper in he back half. Inexperience aint an excuse now. In some games Gibbs has delivered in this area , but he then seems to go back to hs non intensity ways.
His greatest strength is his vision and intelligence in reading the play ahead of others which would be best utilized in the middle, but he lacks intensity and doesnt get his body in the right spots enough because he squibs it too much. And that's disappointing because squibbing and playing with poor intensity is not a skill its an attitude thing.

Club 29: you bang on about how Gibbs' roll is different to other sweepers. How . Be specific. I am more than willing to find out some things I may not know because I cant see how Gibbs' game is different to other so called quarterbacks in the AFL


Kouta: still waiting for that reply to those 2 questions. So at this point I can assume you went to bed or your posts are emotive, moronic bluster.


Finally if we beat the aints we will be 6 and 1. Aint complaining about that but if guys like Yarran and Gibbs dont pick it up in some areas it could cost us at the business end of the season when the pressure goes up which all going well we will experience.

And if Gibbs delivers I will be the first on here singing his praises.

Noone played on anyone of any note but we struggled.
Look... Kosi/Stanley are the ruckmen....

Jameson and Henderson should be enough back there.

There is noone else in their forward line.

Riewoldt and Kosi/Stanley

Bower SHOULD be rewarded for playing well.
Maybe you should be pointing a finger at Duigan.

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Spot on!

Thank God for club29. The man obviously has the patience of an angel to turn up here week after week and attempt to analyse how football works in 2012. He's performing an important 'roll' here.

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Yeah I agree synners the aints will struggle to score as they usually do, they just don't have much firepower esp with tiprat
Out of touch.

If Goddard is forced back to cover for fisher and no Schneider
Goals are gonna be hard to come by for them.

We will win if we kick 10 or more goals cos they won't get that many!

Thanks TBB. I do like to talk about the tactics of 2012 and Carlton performing as a team and above that as a complete list. I do have my favourite players but overall its about the team and I see we play much better as a team when Gibbs is behind the ball. I see it week after week. I do agree with Bigkahuna that he is also good forward of centre. I even think the coaches are keeping that one up their sleave for now until the backline gets more settled. Gibbs is a star in the way he can adapt from one 'roll' to another midgame or even mid quarter. Behind the ball he can handle going one on one fine so teams have given up messing with their own forward structures to isolate him. He also makes it difficult to take Yaz out of play. Makes perfect sense to me that we play better with Gibbs back.

People have to put behind them what pick a player went at. Gibbs was taken 6 or seven years back. How much has the game changed since then? Clarksons cluster hadnt even been dreamt up the years Gibbs was freewheeling in the SANFL as a 16yr old.

Gibbs is not the next Nathan Buckley. He is a 300 game utility who is having an excellent season (rewatch the games if you need your memory jogged).

Back to the game though. I think we have the line up and the fresh legs to run over these Saints.

6 goal win.

I actualyly went along to the Saints Hawthorn game last week.
Terrible game from both sides.
One thing i noticed is ratboy tries to play like a 176 cm tall.
He demands the ball go to him.
He doesnt crumb and he doesnt do the small man basics (front and square) he doesnt chase or harrass. If he tackles its cos the man with the ball is standing next to him.
Milera is coming along nicely but not strong.
They are relying heavily on Lenny (GUN!) Steven is a very good player..
Dal and Montagna dont work hard enough.
Defence is poor and theyre having to use a rookie as a key defender... but the kid looks ok defensively
They have little run out of defence.
Stanley hates body contact and likes to play like a very tall very small man.
Im surprised Ledger hasnt been asked to play much this year as i rate him.... i hope he does play this week to get a better look at him.
Saad very unlucky.. played one game and was dropped. (I would have dropped Milne)
Sippos has no tank.. no hardness .. its hard to see where their mprovement will come from.
Overall.. from what i saw last week.. if we play with any intent whatsoverver we should smash them.
If we come out and expect things to just be a walk up win.. well.. we saw what can happen if youre not switched on.

If Goddard plays in defence id use Walker not Gibbs.
Walker will run him ragged both ways.
Id use Gibbs just in front of the midfield
I would play Russell on Milne... but not a hard tag... and just ask him to just carry ball at any opportunity.
Henderson on Riewoldt... that guy looks spent.. his amazing mobility and agility are not there anymore.
And Jamo on either Kosi or Stanley

A tag on Dal Santo and that is all.

Defence will be rudderless without Fisher.. so yeah i expect Goddard to go back there.The rest cat think through or dont have the skills to play out of defence.

Just work hard and we will abssolutely murder them.

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Well synbad,
There's many things I don't see the same as you but your pre-games analysis is not one of them!!!!

Spot on!!

And if you take that logic even further you will see the likes of Robbo, Curnow, Laidler, Duigan, Armfield, Zac etc etc who have all been added to give the list some grunt and aggression. It is all about the balance Dino. If supporters actually watched the games Gibbs plays over a season, I mean actually watched, they would see what a talent he is. For a supporter to suggest Gibbo is soft is just plain DUMB!

Regards Cazzesman

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Good point re Hodge playing on the HB line as the sweeper and playmaker.
McLeod, a dual Norm Smith medallist played on the HB line in a similar role to Hodge.

The HB line sweeper/ playmaker is one of the most important roles on the field.
In fact Yarran plays on the other one for us, and he goes OK too.

Hodge, a top draft pick, is selected where his team needs him most.

I've been most impressed with Gibbs when he goes in the middle.

I trust the MC and I've heard them describe Gibbs as the player who fixes problems because he's so versatile.

Gibbs can play in the midfield, does and will again.
I don't mind having Judd, Murphy, Simpson, Scotland, Carrazzo, Robinson delected ahead of him in the guts, and am glad Gibbs isn't in the middle to perform the Curnow, Ellard, McLean type role...that would be a waste imo.

How many No 1 picks would be selected in such a variety of key roles for their team, from midfielder to CHB on dual Browlow medallist 195cm Goodes, to CHF etc etc...not Hodge, not Cooney, not Murphy, not Ball.....OK there's another freak on our list who goes by the name Kreuzer.

We are so bessed to have Gibbs and he's such a damn good footballer, so be grateful. Bad luck if he's not Leigh Matthews, but he's a footballer. Isn't that what we crave for? And I'd rather have Gibbs before the other No1 draft pick Goddard atm. Goddard has been out of sorts since 2010.

I'm not hearing anyone saying Gibbs is not a good footballer, nor that he doesn't make our best 22, so Good luck to us and Carlton who have got him to play for them...perhaps in a premiership year. We could be so lucky.

Bad luck to TBird, and Bootsma too. I understand why. Thems the breaks. Lucas imo was borderline/ peripheral too. Duigan's the lucky one imo and I'm a huge Duigan fan.

We must give the Aints a spankin and show them how hard we go when the 4 pts count.

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What has he done for the past 118 games and basically since game 1? Remembering that the first 60 were in a total crap team. Let me refresh your memory

Here's some light reading for you from Wikipedia. Drafted 2006 as a 17yr old. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. What is also left out below was Gibbo playing for Australia vs the Irish.

Gibbs was named in Carlton's leadership group for the 2007 AFL season without having played a single AFL match, which is the first time in history this has happened.

He made his debut in round one against Richmond and kicked a goal with his first kick while becoming the 1100th player to play for Carlton. 17 disposals at 100 percent efficiency and a great shut-down role on Brownlow Medallist Jason Akermanis in Round 10 earned Gibbs his nomination for the NAB Rising Star award.

Gibbs played every game of the 2007 season and kicked five goals. Most of his development and experience has been in the backline where he has played as a half back flanker.
Gibbs in 2011.

In 2008, new coach Brett Ratten reduced the size of the leadership group, and Gibbs was excluded from the new group. Gibbs played games as both an attacking midfielder and as a tagger throughout the season, playing very well in both roles. As a tagger, he convincingly beat several top-class opponents, including Chad Cornes (nine disposals), Heath Shaw (six disposals) and Adam Goodes, whom he held to seven disposals while collecting 26 of his own. In the midfield, he showed strong team ethic, very accurate disposal by foot, strong tackling, and very good football smarts and awareness. He collected seven Brownlow votes during the season and finished 5th in the club Best and Fairest.

In 2009, Gibbs began playing mainly as an attacking midfielder, and much less as a tagger. He finished the season with a total of 615 disposals (averaging 26.7) which was ranked ninth in the league, and polled 15 votes in the Brownlow Medal to finish equal ninth, and finished third in the club Best and Fairest.

In 2010, Gibbs began to divide his time between the midfield and the half-back line, playing as a rebounding defender. In Round 10, his 45 disposals tied Greg Williams' efforts as the most by a Carlton player in a single game (since records were kept in 1984).[4] Gibbs finished fourth in the club Best and Fairest for 2010.[5]

In 2011, Gibbs celebrated his 100 games for Carlton against the Brisbane Lions.



Regards Cazzesman

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Agree with that. I'm not sure the coaches have helped his development. Having said that, I still don't see him take the game on and stamp his presence on the game. Could be a chicken and egg argument....maybe he's too busy tagging to break a game.....

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I don't want to be Mr Pessimist but, here is my concern going into this game - these are the games that we don't turn up too!
We are expected to win, we have top spot available for the taking and a game that will put us in a good position. How many times before have we failed at this point?

I am watching with a little nervousness but expect us to finally put the monkey of our backs and go into next weeks game playing to keep top spot and show the footy world we are here in 2012. DO IT BAGGERS.