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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:53 pm 
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Wet Willie wrote:
Thornton is almost the perfect sub - can play either end and would fix any problem that might have arised.


Disagree. The sub needs to be a running player IMO, a Lucas type

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:11 pm 
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Yes fully agree Lucas is a best sub so far
Thorton is a stron nature body that can be serviceable at both ends


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:35 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
Is this where I complain about the Monday night fixture?
I hate it.
Even more so knowing that the 'G is free Sunday afternoon.

BOOOOOOO !!!!


I'm sure this is a pain for families and their children getting to the game, inevitably leads to a shorter turnaround for the players the following week and draws out the footballing weekend, but any opportunity the club gets to have unrivalled exposure (eg. friday night games, Easter thursday, thursday night season opener, monday night football), i like. More media exposure, guaranteed free to air TV coverage, these can only be good for the club. Especially playing against a pissant club like St Kilda.

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:00 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
BigKev wrote:
Is this where I complain about the Monday night fixture?
I hate it.
Even more so knowing that the 'G is free Sunday afternoon.

BOOOOOOO !!!!


I'm sure this is a pain for families and their children getting to the game, inevitably leads to a shorter turnaround for the players the following week and draws out the footballing weekend, but any opportunity the club gets to have unrivalled exposure (eg. friday night games, Easter thursday, thursday night season opener, monday night football), i like. More media exposure, guaranteed free to air TV coverage, these can only be good for the club. Especially playing against a pissant club like St Kilda.


I think this has gone to it's own thread now C'89 ... so I'll go over there and whinge. :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:44 pm 
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On form Doogan doesn't deserve to be in the Ones. But the MC might consider him an imperative member of the Ones and so will be given chances some others wouldn't. But right now he's a shadow of what he was last year.

Tough to dump JR or PB as they're both confidence players who showed a bit last week. Dropping them would be counter productive. More I think about it more I think they'll find a way to keep both in. Maybe Doogan or 2e make way, Kane could also do with a big possie game in the Twos.

And then what of TBird ??

JUDD bootsma
WAITE doogan
YAZZ 2e
CURNOW ellard

So they roll the dice and go in a bit tall, but PB can take a mid sized defender doesn't have to be a tall


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:07 pm 
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We have a perfect opportunity to make a statement this week.

OUT: Duigen, Thorton, Gartlett, Robertson

IN: Yarren, Laidlaw, Matthew Warnock

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:11 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:15 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
On form Doogan doesn't deserve to be in the Ones. But the MC might consider him an imperative member of the Ones and so will be given chances some others wouldn't. But right now he's a shadow of what he was last year.

Tough to dump JR or PB as they're both confidence players who showed a bit last week. Dropping them would be counter productive. More I think about it more I think they'll find a way to keep both in. Maybe Doogan or 2e make way, Kane could also do with a big possie game in the Twos.

And then what of TBird ??

JUDD bootsma
WAITE doogan
YAZZ 2e
CURNOW ellard

So they roll the dice and go in a bit tall, but PB can take a mid sized defender doesn't have to be a tall


Talls can play on mediums and smalls but i am thinking of overall run and rotations and the like when i see a tall carlton lineup. We dont need to go tall. We are going to beat them by speed and run. We need to sustain it for the whole game. Flooding the 22 with players that wont rotate through the midfield ,flanks and bench will rob us of our strength in my opinion.


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:54 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
We have a perfect opportunity to make a statement this week.

OUT: Duigen, Thorton, Gartlett, Robertson

IN: Yarren, Laidlaw, Matthew Warnock



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 8:29 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
We have a perfect opportunity to make a statement this week.

OUT: Duigen, Thorton, Gartlett, Robertson

IN: Yarren, Laidlaw, Matthew Warnock


No room for Cur-NOW?

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:25 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
We have a perfect opportunity to make a statement this week.

OUT: Duigen, Thorton, Gartlett, Robertson

IN: Yarren, Laidlaw, Matthew Warnock


Has anyone noticed a certain commentator to emphasize the "Law' in Laidlaw. Wonder why he'd do that.
Wasn't Duigan pronounced as Deegan a couple of weeks back also?

Best of all though was when one commentator called out one of our players only to correct himself by announcing it to be another player, when in fact it was neither.
Don't recall the game nor player in question, but more comedy from the funniest men in the business.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:33 am 
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Sugarcane wrote:
On form Doogan doesn't deserve to be in the Ones. But the MC might consider him an imperative member of the Ones and so will be given chances some others wouldn't. But right now he's a shadow of what he was last year.

Tough to dump JR or PB as they're both confidence players who showed a bit last week. Dropping them would be counter productive. More I think about it more I think they'll find a way to keep both in. Maybe Doogan or 2e make way, Kane could also do with a big possie game in the Twos.

And then what of TBird ??

JUDD bootsma
WAITE doogan
YAZZ 2e
CURNOW ellard

So they roll the dice and go in a bit tall, but PB can take a mid sized defender doesn't have to be a tall


Talls can play on mediums and smalls but i am thinking of overall run and rotations and the like when i see a tall carlton lineup. We dont need to go tall. We are going to beat them by speed and run. We need to sustain it for the whole game. Flooding the 22 with players that wont rotate through the midfield ,flanks and bench will rob us of our strength in my opinion.


I tend to agree

So a TBird or Bower will be unlucky, and unhappy I assume


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:02 pm 
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Yarran still 50/50 hasn't trained
Judd/ Waite back

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:09 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Yarran still 50/50 hasn't trained
Judd/ Waite back

sounds as though Yazz will miss again - a life line for Duigan/JR/Tbird maybe


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:10 pm 
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What exactly happened to his foot?

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:56 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Yarran still 50/50 hasn't trained
Judd/ Waite back

sounds as though Yazz will miss again - a life line for Duigan/JR/Tbird maybe



He also said Curnow will be back - so that puts Ellard in the gun

10 tackle 14 disposals game plus hold you opponent to 18 when he had been averaging 26 plus
Shouldn't get you dropped - but it may

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:58 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
What exactly happened to his foot?



Rumour is turf toe that kept big Sandi out most of last year

But it could be bullshit

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:18 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Yarran still 50/50 hasn't trained
Judd/ Waite back

sounds as though Yazz will miss again - a life line for Duigan/JR/Tbird maybe

Tbird has done well on therapist before...

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:37 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
dooky wrote:
Interested to hear peoples thoughts on Thornton's standing in the team. I for one have done a complete 360 in my opinion on him (as I have with D Armfield).

The fact that he is no longer that no. 1 defender in a team that was getting flogged week in week out has done wonders for his confidence and it shows in his general demeanour on the ground. Body language much much better than it was back in those days.

He is the only true player that we can AFFORD to have do a job at either end when need be. (Waite can play in the backline but why would we do that, and Henderson can play forward but right now the more games he plays settled in defence, the better for his own confidence and long term worth to the team). Ratten talks about the need for players to be versatile and play in multiple for positions. For the most part I think its a rubbish thing to say because each player performs better in one specific position over another, however his comments make sense when injuries occur etc etc. I actually think Thornton is the one exception to this though.

As a forward, Thornton clearly gives us another important marking option down there, which we know we are thin on. Waite, resting ruck when he's not on the bench, and Walker as quasi-tall down there isn't enough and doesn't cause too much discomfort for opposition defences in terms of their own KPDs needing to match up. Thornton is the man to exploit matchups in our forward line and if not for himself then at least maybe he takes away a better defender from Walker.

He can mark over his head quite comfortably and is a decent set shot. Having said all this, his defensive pressure is where he leaves abit to be desired and needs to improve.

As we know, IF need be he can do a job in defence.

People knock him for his short pass 'sideways' game. I actually think he's one of the better kicks in the team for spotting up passes under 30m and to me it just shows he understands what tempo football means. Slowing things down can be just as important as all out attack if its an appropriate time in the game for it. Gibbs understands this too. Not everyone can and/or needs to be a linebreaker.

I don't think it necessarily comes down to a Thornton v Bower debate for a spot in the team. But if it does, would take Thornton every day of the week for the versatility he offers. Bower was great yesterday but his position is easily replaced by a Laidler, Duigan, Tuohy and even Russell :yikes: .

In a team light on with senior players, he at least brings experience to the table (almost notched up the 200 games) if not leadership.

We are not dealing with the pre 2011 Bret Thornton anymore, he is an entirely different proposition now.

Trust me I never ever ever thought I'd be saying this. Ever. But the guy needs to play each week from hereon in.


Great work Dook's.Thats one of the best posts i have read on this sight in a long time.Thornton,for mine,is unbelievable value for all the reasons you have stated.We are crying out for a big CHF,but as we dont have one,Thornton coz of his ariel ability is gold.

PS...........i have always been a fan.But i reckon Bower is far better than people think and i reckon he is also a must given his ability to close down power forwards(check Bowers record against the likes of Cloke,Reiwoldt,Kennedy......very impressive.)


Agreed great post Dooky! I feel almost exactly the same about Thornton - that is, hated his backline work but have come to a different opinion since moved forward last year.

I thought we really could have used him in the Essendon* game when Waite was having to try and play the stay at home forward, and the lead up role. We really missed Walker too. We had enough of the ball in that 3rd qtr to hurt Essendon* but our forward line and system going forward was horrendous, T-bird might have made the difference.

I thought he was a big injury on the stroke of half time in the WC final last year too...

Not sure he is the best choice for sub, I like to see some real pace in a sub....

But yeah, agreed, my opinion has really shifted on him, boy have I screamed at him in the past! :smile:


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