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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:29 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:31 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
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I bow to the pressure. The MC are beyond criticism and the loss to Essendon* is utterly acceptable.


The players were off. It happens.
And if Lucas and Waite kicked straight (let alone all the others), we would have won.


They kicked 15.19 Stamos, I seriously doubt it.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:32 pm 
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We were 9 points up when Ball went off for the 2nd time
Thats not exactly flogging them


But we were! We were beating them in every facet of the game.

The fact we were only 9pts ahead is irrelevant , they had just been on a roll but were finished well before that. It took them enough energy just to get it back to that margin and then fell in a heap.

We did all the damage early in that game make no mistake about it.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:20 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:
Stamos wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
I bow to the pressure. The MC are beyond criticism and the loss to Essendon* is utterly acceptable.


The players were off. It happens.
And if Lucas and Waite kicked straight (let alone all the others), we would have won.


They kicked 15.19 Stamos, I seriously doubt it.


No doubt they outplayed us, but the second quarter could/would have gone very differently if we started 3 goals up, as we should have.

Scoreboard pressure is the best kind of pressure.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:33 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
I bow to the pressure. The MC are beyond criticism and the loss to Essendon* is utterly acceptable.


The players were off. It happens.
And if Lucas and Waite kicked straight (let alone all the others), we would have won.


Have we considered what may have happened if Crameri kicked straight. No excuses. none. we played like a team of soft cocks. Who do we blame? Nobody knows. Did the players get ahead of themselves??? Did the coaching staff not have a plan B??? was it one of those days????? was it the injuries??????

All I do know is that we cannot play as the hunted. Put pressure on us and we fold. And Essendon* have proven that to us over the last few years in the early rounds.

All this deflective talk about skies falling, slashing wrists, nervous nellies, chilling out etc is a smokescreen. we all love Carlton. Bottom line is that they are not exempt from the harshest criticism from their supporters. They were piss weak!, especially against a hated foe. The most annoying thing for me is that a top 4 side needs to string a couple of 4-6 consecutive wins in a season. We blew an opportunity to go 4-0

But hey, it's round 4 and we're 3-1. We all would've taken that wouldn't we?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:52 pm 
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simply saying we cant handle the pressure

we proved last year in the final against the Dons and the Pies last week when we are "on" we can handle the pressure

the challenge for the group is being the hunted week in week out and that is what we have not shown we are capable consistently of handling

the encouraging thing that gives me hope though is that every year we incremently get better so there is a chance for us to overcome this barrier we are yet to crack

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:57 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Did the coaching staff not have a plan B???


What sort of 'Plan B" would you like to see?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:15 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Did the coaching staff not have a plan B???


What sort of 'Plan B" would you like to see?


They could start with a tweaking of how compressed our zone or press was after it was pretty obvious that Hird's paddock was being exploited

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:34 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
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99prelim wrote:
Did the coaching staff not have a plan B???


What sort of 'Plan B" would you like to see?


They could start with a tweaking of how compressed our zone or press was after it was pretty obvious that Hird's paddock was being exploited


Surely that would leave more Bombers around the ball outnumbering Carlton players thus exascerbating the problem?
The issue was our attitude which resulted in an inability to win the contested ball. Removing numbers from the contest would only make Essendons job easier.

What viable Plan B would you like to see?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:05 pm 
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A plan B that has us win games without winning contested ball or clearances. :razz:

Any plans we had were not given a chance of working due to lack of energy in our team.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:38 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:59 am 
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Lehmo is a sphincter.

Sam Lane sounds as footy aware as my sister who texts me or asks me why we lost a game. :oops:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:37 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:33 am 
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/police-investigate-stalking-attack-on-bomber/story-e6frf9jf-1226337542052

Disappointing but not surprising with the level of vitriol towards what he did to Carrots.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:52 am 
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Disappointed with that also. The only threats he should have got was from Carrots's team mates that were on the field. Why didn't they rough him up, why didn't they show some balls? I thought Robbo was our tough guy? I'm at a loss, at a complete loss, I wanna erase that whole frikken day from my memory.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:27 am 
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BrianSetzer1 wrote:
Disappointed with that also. The only threats he should have got was from Carrots's team mates that were on the field. Why didn't they rough him up, why didn't they show some balls? I thought Robbo was our tough guy? I'm at a loss, at a complete loss, I wanna erase that whole frikken day from my memory.


Again the most disappointing part of the day for me. Hopefully it just showed that we weren't switched on and not that we didn't give a ratts about our team-mate. Either one has me fumming still and made it worse it was these bummers. :mad:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:45 am 
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The_Wookie wrote:
David King discusses the Blues strategies
[youtube]vpqkC_lBFJI[/youtube]


How good was this summary. Excellent and insightfull. :clap:
It just highlights what happens to us when we aren't in the groove to run hard back the other way when we don't win contested ball or aren't willing to run hard to assist. :wink: Both happened against Bummers.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:16 am 
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blue vain wrote:
What viable Plan B would you like to see?


I don't know what plan b should be, but I'd like us to have one. None of us get paid $1-2-3-4-500,000 per year to think of one, various of our coaching team do, they get to think about it full time and have access to players paid totally many millions to implement game plans and variations. Are you saying BV that once the Bombers got on top there was nothing we could do, that the supporters can't expect us to turn it around during the game? Aren't you expecting our coaching staff to be able to implement plans that turn the game around. We weren't just beaten here we were beaten very easily by a side I would think most of us see ourselves as being way ahead of. Can't we expect the coaching staff to be able to make adjustments to change things. I'll happily own up to not knowing near as much about strategies and game plans as professional highly paid and supported coaches. I also don't think we have the best coach in the league.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:37 am 
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Did it look like our players had a mind set that could implement a Plan B, given they couldn't be [REDACTED] doing so with their Plan A?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:41 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
blue vain wrote:
What viable Plan B would you like to see?


I don't know what plan b should be, but I'd like us to have one. None of us get paid $1-2-3-4-500,000 per year to think of one, various of our coaching team do, they get to think about it full time and have access to players paid totally many millions to implement game plans and variations. Are you saying BV that once the Bombers got on top there was nothing we could do, that the supporters can't expect us to turn it around during the game? Aren't you expecting our coaching staff to be able to implement plans that turn the game around. We weren't just beaten here we were beaten very easily by a side I would think most of us see ourselves as being way ahead of. Can't we expect the coaching staff to be able to make adjustments to change things. I'll happily own up to not knowing near as much about strategies and game plans as professional highly paid and supported coaches. I also don't think we have the best coach in the league.


They did tweak the plans. Don't try and convince yourself they just sat back and watched it happen. The plans these days are so subtle none of us would have a clue. Tell me the last time you saw a team radically change its gameplan mid game and go on to win it and have a good season. We lost the contested balls, we were not running hard enough and we missed goals that would have had them adjusting what they were doing.
No doubt changes were made in the way we wanted to move the ball forward but Rielly said the players didnt follow through with the plans. He also admitted they got things wrong. I reckon he was talking about picking a slow team.

We got done by a team that played a blinder. For some reason or another our 22 played with no energy and we just didnt win the ball when it was there to be won and no coach could devise a winning plan A , B or C when that is happening.


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