..looking at it from the perspective of each club, it's a huge loss-loss trade..

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They wanted pick one to address their deficiencies in the midfield and draft Cotchin. If they had picked Kreuzer, they would still need both NicNat and Kreuzer to replace the ageing Cox. They grabbed Lycett two years ago.

Thank God they don't have a Kreuzer and Naitanui combination.

I just don't see the benefit in Kreuzer for Pendlebury. Robbing peter to pay paul.
I do reckon we need to trade as this list isn't good enough to win a premiership as it lacks an inside mid and a key forward
Therefore you need to trade
I would put up Jamieson (for a first & second round pick). I think you would solve the midfield problem
I would back ourselves to develop Mccarthy as Jamos replacement
Where could you find that key forward?

For those that don't agree. Remember Collingwood only won it is premiership when it bit the bullet and got Jolly and Ball
Spalding was a key to our 95 premiership

We'd better hurry up and sign up that Jolly Ball combo, it may only have another year or so left in it.

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While were at it, let's get rid of Yarran and Gibbs....

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And people are making his return to footy somewhat of a fairytale?

Gotta be some sort of April fools type joke.Kruezer is gonna go down as one of the alltime Carlton greats.

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Is this some sort of surreal dream sequence where BigFooty's Bay 13 is unleashed on TC? Trade Jamison?

BigKev has gone completely mad.........
Krooooze is going to be a great player but he is far more than that. His grunt, attitude, down to earthness, lack of interest in the rockstar elements of AFL circa 2012, leadership etc etc, makes him untradeable even if the Pies were offering their entire team

BigK for next captain of Carlton (thats BigKruze not BigKev!)

While we're talking hypotheticals, what if we'd given WC picks 1 and 3 for judd? I believe that was WCs preferred formula. We probably would have kept pick 20 and lost Army, but leaving the details aside:

Keep Kennedy and lose Kreuzer. Now there's an interesting counterfactual... More interesting than Judd v Kennedy.

You....didn't read anyone else's posts...did you?

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If that trade fails to go through, then we should swap Yarran for Kennedy...

Kreuzer can ruck, play "midfielder" following up his work, do powerful bullocking work, go forward take big makes and kick goals. As brilliant as Pendlebury is that is worth 100 times more. Already having Judd, Murphy etc...you'd be an idiot to even consider it. Footy is about balance as much as brilliance.

I'd be more inclined to think of it if the swap was for Buddy for not for a midfielder.

Why? With a full season and he could get alot of votes. Well worth a punt especially at 250/1.

No.

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Not worth a $200 punt!

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Right now one of our strengths is the speed and mobility of our ruckmen and KP forwards. Allows us to load up the forward line with marking options with losing that speed and mobility by playing Waite, Thornton at times with highly mobile rucks Hampson and Kreuzer resting there. Now do that trade and suddenly and suddenly you have to rest a ruckman (Warnock) on the bench, hurting rotations, or lose that mobility forward when Warnock rests. We'd go well still for sure as we'd be pretty mobile still with Waite, Walker and sometimes Thornton there but it makes it unnecessarily harder.

Digressing a little, Hawthown, with Roughhead fit, now have Hale, Roughhead and another ruckman to fit into the side, which might hurt their mobility and makes them possibly top-heavy even with Buddy. Eventually they'll have to pinch-hit or if they want 2 rucks leave Roughead out and risk losing him in a trade if he can't get a regular game. We are so lucky in that regard.

Depends how easily one can afford $200, Be a nice 50 grand if it come off.

but it wont come off

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

not having a key focal point up forward has become a strength
opp defence's cant predict us...and imagine what kreuzer will be like in 3 years time, stick ur straight swap up your ar#e

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Look I like Kreuzer as much as anybody and I too think he will develop into a fine player for us BUT...

If you are judging them purely on what they have achieved so far in their careers Pendlebury is so far in front it's not funny. He has probably played more outstanding games in a month than Special K has in his career.

And yes I now the criteria isn't who is the better player but would the two clubs be willing to trade to further improve their sides but I couldn't imagine Collingwood considering this for even a second.

BUT.....in two years time it could well be a different story!!

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