Kreuzer for Pendlebury -- straight swap.

Saddo9 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:54 am

Pendlebury is easily one of the top 5 players in the comp. Krewz a very good footballer and potentially will be elite but Pendles already there. Not so cut and dry.

harker · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 am **Posts:** 2345

Kouta wrote:

harker wrote:

Taking the emotion out of it, I'd take Pendlebury quite easily right now.

We have two ruck-men that could capably do that duty for us and we add an absolute A-Grade mid-fielder to the cause.
We all love Kreuzer and wouldn't give the man up for anything, but Pendlebury would bring us closer to a cup.

Wow. You made a similar claim that we could live without Kreuzer because we had Hampson and Warnock. Remembered this after Kreuzer was arguably our best player in round one. This argument is nearly the equivalent of backing in Bower and Thornton to replace Henderson and Jamison. The replacements aren't as good as our best talls.

It might appear to be rational to add another mid, but what you gain in the midfield is balanced out by what we've lost in the ruck. Kreuzer's second efforts and around the ground work both denies and produces goals. I like the old adage that as mids tire, a big man is still a big man at the end of the day. Kreuzer should be untradeable.

Never thought I'd read that we didn't have enough midfielders.

I did say taking the emotion out of it.

Yes, Kreuzer's second efforts are fantastic but often after his own ruck-work, where he didn't win the tap-out.
Kreuzer's taps to advantage are well behind that of Warnock and even Hampson.

Just a hypothetical, but if we asked 100 Collingwood supporters the same question, you could almost be guranteed you that not one would take the swap.

Donstuie · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:43 am

What an odd thread

daggs001 · **Joined:** Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:20 pm **Posts:** 1826

Kreuz is still paying 151-1 to win the Brownlow.
I had a lasy $200 on him at $251-1 a few months back.
Seems well over the odds.Come on Kreuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Adelaide Blue · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:10 pm

daggs001 wrote:

Kreuz is still paying 151-1 to win the Brownlow.
I had a lasy $200 on him at $251-1 a few months back.
Seems well over the odds.Come on Kreuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

That's $200 that you'll never see again!

(I love Big Vodka though)

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2647

Pendlebury is an elite mid and had a couple of great years.
Kreuzer hasn't even gotten started yet.
After a very good initiation into the big leagues he does his knee.
Shows some good form coming back including a great game against Sydney the gets injured again.
After a full preseason comes out and shows us first up what an attacking, versatile and important player he is in complimenting our structure.
Best on ground straight up.
Shows how much we missed him as a big mobile man in the finals last year.
Looking forward to the future. :thumbsup:

daggs001 · **Joined:** Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:20 pm **Posts:** 1826

Adelaide Blue wrote:

daggs001 wrote:

Kreuz is still paying 151-1 to win the Brownlow.
I had a lasy $200 on him at $251-1 a few months back.
Seems well over the odds.Come on Kreuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

That's $200 that you'll never see again!

(I love Big Vodka though)

Obviously I dont agree.At the value, I think Kreuz is a great speculative bet.
He has had plenty of media coverage in the last few weeks with many pundits talking him up.The umps are not immune to media coverage.
He may well of polled 3 votes for round 1.Murph was down, so was Judd.
If we make top 4, which I expect us to do, and he stays fit, he will poll votes.Think Adam Goodes.

blueboys101 · **Joined:** Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:29 pm **Posts:** 327

pendlebury is in the top 3-4 players in the league, and if we are talking about 2-3 years from now will have to wait and see but as this question is asked today get off the crack boys and girls

very weird thread, but even worse very weird responses

Kouta · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:55 pm

harker wrote:

Kouta wrote:

harker wrote:

Taking the emotion out of it, I'd take Pendlebury quite easily right now.

We have two ruck-men that could capably do that duty for us and we add an absolute A-Grade mid-fielder to the cause.
We all love Kreuzer and wouldn't give the man up for anything, but Pendlebury would bring us closer to a cup.

Wow. You made a similar claim that we could live without Kreuzer because we had Hampson and Warnock. Remembered this after Kreuzer was arguably our best player in round one. This argument is nearly the equivalent of backing in Bower and Thornton to replace Henderson and Jamison. The replacements aren't as good as our best talls.

It might appear to be rational to add another mid, but what you gain in the midfield is balanced out by what we've lost in the ruck. Kreuzer's second efforts and around the ground work both denies and produces goals. I like the old adage that as mids tire, a big man is still a big man at the end of the day. Kreuzer should be untradeable.

Never thought I'd read that we didn't have enough midfielders.

I did say taking the emotion out of it.

Yes, Kreuzer's second efforts are fantastic but often after his own ruck-work, where he didn't win the tap-out.
Kreuzer's taps to advantage are well behind that of Warnock and even Hampson.

Think you took logic out of it to rely on selective judgement. If you look at Judd's kicking in isolation and ignored the big picture, the champ wouldn't look as good as Gibbs, Yarran or Scotland. Kreuzer isn't a hack ruck. Lifted to take it up to Mumford once Hampson was out for the match. Great players do this.

Thread deserves to be binned.

It's like asking a Hawks supporter if they would swap Rioli to address their needs and get a KPD such as Ben Reid or Henderson.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

BigKev · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:57 pm

Yeah - very weird thread from a very strange thought. I guess that's what you get for watching the filth play. :smile:

I'm a bit surprised by how people responded, (thanks for that).

Even more surprising was how many people would do the deal, "taking the emotion out of it". Sheeet ... I wouldn't. IMO Pendlebury's v. good but isn't likely to get much better. As for Kruezer though ... well the lad is a good footballer. Reads the play well, hard at it, good hands, good skills. He also just happens to be 200cm tall, is capable in the ruck and can take a pack mark. And, again IMO, there's a good chance his peak is still some distance away.

As someone else said, Pendlebury can be tagged out of it, but good luck getting a match up for Krueze' in full flight.

Adelaide Blue · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:58 pm

No amount of reasoning can justify putting $200 on Big K for the Charlie.
Many, many better players out there, who the umps get wood over every week.

Krooz for the brownlow in say 3-4 years is more likely to happen.

cortez · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:49 pm **Posts:** 1170

Christ, I nearly brought up my lunch. Trade Kreuzer? Are you people crazy?

Not only is Krooz a quality player, he is a quality person. Something we've been a little short on over the last decade, you build club culture around guys like him. You won't hear of Mat Kruezer drunk and brawling in King St. There won't be any scandals re betting or womanising either. He's already told his manager not to entertain offers from other clubs; he's demonstrated his loyalty to us. The kid is all class on and off the ground and people are talking of what he's worth as a trade? This guy is a future captain of our club, he'll win multiple club awards over his career too. Jeez, I despair sometimes.

RON STONE · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:15 pm

BigKev wrote:

I'm watching Collingwood vs Hawthorn and Pendlebury's playing particularly well.

However, it's obvious to me that Collingwood are really struggling in the second ruck dept.

It occurs to me that Kreuzer would be perfect for them and then for some reason the idea pops
into my head : would they swap Pendlebury for him? ARE YOU OFF YOUR TREE ?? THE KREUZ IS NOTFOR SALE AT ANY PRICE !
WE HAVE A YOUNG DEDICATED CHAMP IN THE MAKING. HOW EXCITING IS IT TO SEE HIM DO THOSE EXTRA SMOTHERS,BLOCKS ,MARK &GOALS LIKE A JOHN NICHOLLS OF OLDEN DAYS.
ANYWAYS WE DON'T EXACTLY NEED A MIDFIELDER. AKEY DEFENDER THO' WOULD BE HANDY! :donk:

Now it takes me about three seconds to decide "NO WAY" would I be in that deal.

However, when I run it by a Collingwood guy at work plus a couple of neutrals, they all reckon the same
thing from Collingwood's perspective. NO WAY.

At this point I'm into the "you gotta to be f'n kidding me - Kruezer is going to be an absolute champion".

... and on it goes.

So I need some "unbiased" opinions. :wink:

Would anyone else here do that swap? Am I just wearing my blue goggles again?

Any offerings welcome.

BigKev · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:25 pm

RON STONE wrote:

BigKev wrote:

I'm watching Collingwood vs Hawthorn and Pendlebury's playing particularly well.

However, it's obvious to me that Collingwood are really struggling in the second ruck dept.

It occurs to me that Kreuzer would be perfect for them and then for some reason the idea pops
into my head : would they swap Pendlebury for him? ARE YOU OFF YOUR TREE ?? THE KREUZ IS NOTFOR SALE AT ANY PRICE !
WE HAVE A YOUNG DEDICATED CHAMP IN THE MAKING. HOW EXCITING IS IT TO SEE HIM DO THOSE EXTRA SMOTHERS,BLOCKS ,MARK &GOALS LIKE A JOHN NICHOLLS OF OLDEN DAYS.
ANYWAYS WE DON'T EXACTLY NEED A MIDFIELDER. AKEY DEFENDER THO' WOULD BE HANDY! :donk:

Now it takes me about three seconds to decide "NO WAY" would I be in that deal.

However, when I run it by a Collingwood guy at work plus a couple of neutrals, they all reckon the same
thing from Collingwood's perspective. NO WAY.

At this point I'm into the "you gotta to be f'n kidding me - Kruezer is going to be an absolute champion".

... and on it goes.

So I need some "unbiased" opinions. :wink:

Would anyone else here do that swap? Am I just wearing my blue goggles again?

Any offerings welcome.

I'm not really sure how to interpret this Ron, but by the look of things if my whimsical thread has managed to motivate you to post then
it's not all bad.

Oh, and Cortez ... it's only meant as a lighthearted "fill in the middle of the week" thing. No one is seriously suggesting we trade Kruezer for anyone. I should've titled the thread something like "Who's more valuable - Kruezer or Pendlebury?".

Oh well.

Juddy&theKruezers · **Joined:** Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 pm **Posts:** 4426

We already have a couple of Pendlebury's....Kruze is basically another top class mid in the making....so IMO the swap would add little value to us....keeping Kruze adds more value....

camel · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:26 pm

Clearly both players are vitally important to both teams.

I would hate to see Kreuzer go as much for his admirable character attributes, let alone his playing ability.

We certainly can't afford to lose him.

Pendlebury would be a nice get, of course, that's undeniable, but with the playing list we have at the moment I think we'd lose more than we'd gain.

bluehammer wrote:

Well Pendlebury is worth 250k more than kruze in supercoach so you'd be mad not to do it. You could buy a couple of rookies like clay smith and James magner too. No brainer. DONE DEAL

GWS · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:33 pm

Pendles might increase the chance of a flag over the next couple of years but Kruezer might increase that chance over the next 7 or 8.

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

Here's one that I'm surprised doesn't get more of a working over.

Kreuzer or Kennedy?

Would you have preferred we traded pick 1 and 4, or Kennedy and 4?

Hindsight and plenty of it- you'd have to take Kennedy I think. Otherwise - made the right call of course

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

And if Kreuzer did end up at WCE, doesn't that just change pretty much everything, given how unlikely it would have been they'd have taken Naitanui the following year?

camel · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:07 pm

With Cox and Seaby they might have taken Cotchin at #1.

Whereas our rucks in 2007 were Dylan McLaren, Cain Ackland and Hampson was in his first year.

Of course it hurt to lose Josh, but I think the club made the correct decision.

Kreuzer for Pendlebury -- straight swap.

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