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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:26 pm 
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General match day drills was what I was talking about, where he kept up well.
The repeated efforts against the Dogs though, did make him look bad.

May head off and watch The Northern boys on the weekend, to see how he performs.

It's on TV, stay home. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:04 pm 
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I'd personally rate our midfield an 8/10 (lack of a genuine extractor is our big weakness), and theirs at 7/10 (Martin, Cotchin, Foley, Deledio, Tuck are a good group)

What do you call Judd :?: :?

Great clearance worker, but that's not where we want him, hence our drafting of Hadley/McLean/Curnow.


Old days Don. Judd is the best clearance player in the league. Outside he has lost a yard of pace and his kicking is not a strong point.
Play him inside and let gibbs, simpson, Scotland, Yaz, and murphy do the silky stuff on the outside.

Buckley and Voss got more and more inside the packs as they aged. Judd will do similar. He is tough as nails and gets better the harder it gets.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:08 pm 
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He hasn't lost anything outside, he's just expending a crap load of energy shrugging the four tacklers at every stoppage. I've seen him hit full stride at times in the last 3 years, and he still has that gear, even with another 10 kilos of muscle on him.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:19 pm 
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Judd can't stand to fly
Judd's not that naive
Judd's just out to find
The better part of him

Judd's more than a bird, Judd's more than a plane
Judd's more than some pretty face beside a train
And it's not easy to be Judd

Wish that Judd could cry
Fall upon his knees
Find a way to lie
About a home Judd'll never see

It may sound absurd, but don't be naive
Even heroes have the right to bleed
Judd may be disturbed, but won't you concede
Even heroes have the right to dream
It's not easy to be Judd

Up, up and away, away from him
It's all right, you can all sleep sound tonight
Judd's not crazy, or anything

Judd can't stand to fly
Judd's not that naive
Men weren't meant to ride
With clouds between their knees

Judd's only a man in a silly red sheet
Digging for kryptonite on this one way street
Only a man in a funny red sheet
Looking for special things inside of Judd
Inside of Judd
Inside Judd
Yeah, inside Judd
Inside of Judd

Judd's only a man
In a funny red sheet
Judd's only a man
Looking for a dream

Judd's only a man
In a funny red sheet
And it's not easy

Its not easy to be Judd


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:29 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Its not easy to be Judd


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If it was, everyone would be.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:42 pm 
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He hasn't lost anything outside, he's just expending a crap load of energy shrugging the four tacklers at every stoppage. I've seen him hit full stride at times in the last 3 years, and he still has that gear, even with another 10 kilos of muscle on him.


Is Judd having the ball outside as good as having Murphy or Gibbs with it outside?
Is having Judd draw four blokes deep in a pack and still manage to get the ball out where by rights we should be outnumbering them more advantage to the team than him having the ball outside when Gibbs or Murphy or yaz could have it?

I know we all think of the WC judd cutting his way through the middle but he older and more solid now and the game has changed heaps since 2006. Far less space week in week out. Granted them Swans v WC games back then were congested.

We have the best inside clearance mid in the league in Judd.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:43 pm 
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So if we take into consideration the Northern Blues team the lineup could look something like this:

B: Tuohy, Henderson, Bower
HB: Yarran, T-Bird, Russell
C: Scotland, Curnow, Simmo
HF: Garlett, Waite, Gibbs
F: Murphy, Hampson, Betts

RCK: Kreuzer, Judd, Robbo

INT: Collins, Carrazzo, Lucas

SUB: Armfield

T-Bird sub if Jamison plays, Armfield to miss.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:14 pm 
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I think Armfield will tag Martin, Carrazzo on Cotchin and Curnow to go head to head with Foley at the stoppages.

Thornton to Vickery, Hendo to Jack R and Bower to Miller.

We will probably play a defensive forward (maybe Collins) on Deledio.

With these setups or similar, I think we'll smash them.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:28 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Judd can't stand to fly
Judd's not that naive
Judd's just out to find
The better part of him

Judd's more than a bird, Judd's more than a plane
Judd's more than some pretty face beside a train
And it's not easy to be Judd

Wish that Judd could cry
Fall upon his knees
Find a way to lie
About a home Judd'll never see

It may sound absurd, but don't be naive
Even heroes have the right to bleed
Judd may be disturbed, but won't you concede
Even heroes have the right to dream
It's not easy to be Judd

Up, up and away, away from him
It's all right, you can all sleep sound tonight
Judd's not crazy, or anything

Judd can't stand to fly
Judd's not that naive
Men weren't meant to ride
With clouds between their knees

Judd's only a man in a silly red sheet
Digging for kryptonite on this one way street
Only a man in a funny red sheet
Looking for special things inside of Judd
Inside of Judd
Inside Judd
Yeah, inside Judd
Inside of Judd

Judd's only a man
In a funny red sheet
Judd's only a man
Looking for a dream

Judd's only a man
In a funny red sheet
And it's not easy

Its not easy to be Judd


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:26 pm 
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club29 wrote:
jimmae wrote:
He hasn't lost anything outside, he's just expending a crap load of energy shrugging the four tacklers at every stoppage. I've seen him hit full stride at times in the last 3 years, and he still has that gear, even with another 10 kilos of muscle on him.


Is Judd having the ball outside as good as having Murphy or Gibbs with it outside?
Is having Judd draw four blokes deep in a pack and still manage to get the ball out where by rights we should be outnumbering them more advantage to the team than him having the ball outside when Gibbs or Murphy or yaz could have it?

I know we all think of the WC judd cutting his way through the middle but he older and more solid now and the game has changed heaps since 2006. Far less space week in week out. Granted them Swans v WC games back then were congested.

We have the best inside clearance mid in the league in Judd.

I think we have the best all-round midfielder in the league in Judd.

Why not have him contribute as his vision and talent allows, instead of pidgeon holing him, then you have Gibbs, Murphy and Robinson who can have an impact in a variety of roles in midfield. That fluidity and flexibility can open up a lot of opportunities if it's used. Curnow also has the athletic attributes to do stuff outside and throw off the opposition as well. Brock's another who if his legs hold up, he can force you as an opposition coach to mind him as well less he gets the ball in hand to do some damage.

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I think that Brock is a bit stiff to be in the Magoos this week as I liked his pre-season. Think he deserved a start this week ahead of an Ellard (for example). Maybe his papers are stamped...

Based on today's game in the Magoos, discussion of Paddy McCarthy will be in these threads sometime this year. Not the full package yet but a lot to like about him. Showed great signs today.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:36 pm 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
I think that Brock is a bit stiff to be in the Magoos this week as I liked his pre-season. Think he deserved a start this week ahead of an Ellard (for example). Maybe his papers are stamped...

Based on today's game in the Magoos, discussion of Paddy McCarthy will be in these threads sometime this year. Not the full package yet but a lot to like about him. Showed great signs today.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:25 pm 
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presumably we'll announce our team on wednesday night?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:16 am 
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jimmae wrote:
club29 wrote:
jimmae wrote:
He hasn't lost anything outside, he's just expending a crap load of energy shrugging the four tacklers at every stoppage. I've seen him hit full stride at times in the last 3 years, and he still has that gear, even with another 10 kilos of muscle on him.


Is Judd having the ball outside as good as having Murphy or Gibbs with it outside?
Is having Judd draw four blokes deep in a pack and still manage to get the ball out where by rights we should be outnumbering them more advantage to the team than him having the ball outside when Gibbs or Murphy or yaz could have it?

I know we all think of the WC judd cutting his way through the middle but he older and more solid now and the game has changed heaps since 2006. Far less space week in week out. Granted them Swans v WC games back then were congested.

We have the best inside clearance mid in the league in Judd.

I think we have the best all-round midfielder in the league in Judd.

Why not have him contribute as his vision and talent allows, instead of pidgeon holing him, then you have Gibbs, Murphy and Robinson who can have an impact in a variety of roles in midfield. That fluidity and flexibility can open up a lot of opportunities if it's used. Curnow also has the athletic attributes to do stuff outside and throw off the opposition as well. Brock's another who if his legs hold up, he can force you as an opposition coach to mind him as well less he gets the ball in hand to do some damage.


Can't argue with that. Point is we shouldnt really be looking for an inside player to feed Judd. Its not needed. Another tough inside player would be handy on the list if Mclean doesnt step up. Just required to round out our list not to free up judd.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:27 am 
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The point is were running Judd into the ground.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:50 am 
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Synbad wrote:
The point is were running Judd into the ground.


What type of player do you want Judd to be?
Judd can take care of himself. His not a Buckley.
The point is every player rotated through the middle should be a rounded player.
They should be able to extract or to be fed.
We shouldn't be too focused on one type of mid.
They should be able to take care of each other.
If their not then it should be emphasized and taught.
The more we have and teach how to play the part the more we can cover.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:08 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
The point is were running Judd into the ground.


If Gibbsy steps up like Murph did last year, it should balance out Judd's workload.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:18 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
He hasn't lost anything outside, he's just expending a crap load of energy shrugging the four tacklers at every stoppage. I've seen him hit full stride at times in the last 3 years, and he still has that gear, even with another 10 kilos of muscle on him.


As you may know, Judd has dropped weight and has extra spring in his step this year.
Had to do double takes watching Judd explode out of pack situations through training.
Couldn't believe it was the same guy we saw last year.

Keep Judd on the outside and we have ourselves another jet.
Question still is though; Who's going inside?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:23 pm 
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redback wrote:
Synbad wrote:
The point is were running Judd into the ground.


What type of player do you want Judd to be?
Judd can take care of himself. His not a Buckley.
The point is every player rotated through the middle should be a rounded player.
They should be able to extract or to be fed.
We shouldn't be too focused on one type of mid.
They should be able to take care of each other.
If their not then it should be emphasized and taught.
The more we have and teach how to play the part the more we can cover.


Agree to a certain extent, except you cannot always get players to do both, ie. to be a good outside player, among other things you need either pace (Simmo) or footy time (Gibbs) and you can't teach either of those. Having said that, Juddy does need support and more importantly some help with the taggers - Hawthorn game for instance last year. We owe it to him to have him play past 30!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:26 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
The point is were running Judd into the ground.


Didnt he get groin problems when he was more of a dashing running player back in 2007 ? WC ran him into the ground ? That was the worse injury he has had at AFL level.

He is fine in current role. The stints at HF will give him the break and he is quite successful playing there.


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