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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:13 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Back to the game

I didn't think much of Grigg or Nahas in the preseason.

I really enjoyed the spirit and bravado the Tiggers showed in the preseason, but I also remember us doing the same in the last decade.

Martin and Cotchin...stop them with Robbo and Curnow/ McLean in the hard ball gets...and Judd, Murphy and Gibbs' class should do the rest on the outside.

Reiwoldt??? It's all about supply. I expect Hendo on him and maybe Bower to have stints on him too.
The bloke I trust as the 3rd man up is Thornton. TBird can read the play.

Spoke with a mad Carlton supporter today, and he suggested they all get rid of their trendy 2012 hair cuts and get a buzz cuts and play with aggression.

Team has to forget about top 4 and play one week at a time...every week.

I don't think we were as poor as some suggest during the preseason.

I have a nephew who plays for the Lions and he said it seemed the Blueboys put the cue in the rack and didn't risk injury...so we can't read too much into that.

All I know is that in the last game of the year the kids played with the eye of the tiger...and expect that to come back in round 1.


Great post Bondi, yes many around here forget how brave the lads were v WC in that final, big names out and no T-Bird after 1/2 time. Curnow has to lose that afro perm thinggy on his head, too. :mad:

Norf always give us problems, that weren't the team to play in a praccy, that's for sure. As for the Tigers...


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:25 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Back to the game

I didn't think much of Grigg or Nahas in the preseason.

I really enjoyed the spirit and bravado the Tiggers showed in the preseason, but I also remember us doing the same in the last decade.

Martin and Cotchin...stop them with Robbo and Curnow/ McLean in the hard ball gets...and Judd, Murphy and Gibbs' class should do the rest on the outside.

Reiwoldt??? It's all about supply. I expect Hendo on him and maybe Bower to have stints on him too.
The bloke I trust as the 3rd man up is Thornton. TBird can read the play.

Spoke with a mad Carlton supporter today, and he suggested they all get rid of their trendy 2012 hair cuts and get a buzz cuts and play with aggression.

Team has to forget about top 4 and play one week at a time...every week.

I don't think we were as poor as some suggest during the preseason.

I have a nephew who plays for the Lions and he said it seemed the Blueboys put the cue in the rack and didn't risk injury...so we can't read too much into that.

All I know is that in the last game of the year the kids played with the eye of the tiger...and expect that to come back in round 1.



Booo!!!!

That is just shocking Bondi!!!

How can you want less hair on the players? eh?
Did Sampson want less hair??
Go the FRO, and let their Freak Flags Fly Goddarn it. :thanks:

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:28 am 
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Going purely by observations from Sunday, you cant blame people for saying what hty have about us.. We did fall into a heap for 20 or so minutes and conceed 9 goals straight (a lot of them soft)...

In one way, losing practice matches, particularly the one against North, has its positives, as were re now able to iron out the chinks in our tactical armour before the game against Richmond, rather then falling into a false sense of security as we did in 2005 and 2007 when we spent the pre season belting our opponents only to be pathetic in the season proper when teams started giving a sh*t..

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:37 am 
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can't expect any player to not be a running player!
big or small!

Rowe blew up when he was on the ground for minimal
time and that's a worry if people are expecting him to improve the forward structure!

but dont worry, its early doors still!
jets wait till he plays the real stuff!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:04 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Rowe blew up when he was on the ground for minimal
time and that's a worry if people are expecting him to improve the forward structure!

but dont worry, its early doors still!
jets wait till he plays the real stuff!


You realise that he'd just come off a 5 week AC joint injury, don't you?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:43 am 
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You realise that he'd just come off a 5 week AC joint, don't you?


That much smoking will slow anyone down.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:47 am 
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Stamos wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Rowe blew up when he was on the ground for minimal
time and that's a worry if people are expecting him to improve the forward structure!

but dont worry, its early doors still!
jets wait till he plays the real stuff!


You realise that he'd just come off a 5 week AC joint injury, don't you?

I do realise that!
some players come in from longer stints away and are not blown away by the game when t'dw return.
its about what fitness platform you had to fall back on before that.
anyway like I said early doors!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:52 am 
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Synbad wrote:
I do realise that!
some players come in from longer stints away and are not blown away by the game when t'dw return.
its about what fitness platform you had to fall back on before that.
anyway like I said early doors!


Just on Rowe.
He didn't seem to have any problems keeping up in the pre-season from what I saw.
May not have his base up to AFL expectations, but he could not possibly be that far off, either.

For all we really know, he may have had the flu against The Bulldogs.
Not saying that as a fact, but we don't really know.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:01 pm 
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I believe the fitness you have runninp around the park and the kind of fitness and mental toughness you need in the game situation with all the body work are very different!

once games begin you will see who has done the real work to prepare!
its a cross between aerobic fitness and strength work!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:15 pm 
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General match day drills was what I was talking about, where he kept up well.
The repeated efforts against the Dogs though, did make him look bad.

May head off and watch The Northern boys on the weekend, to see how he performs.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:40 pm 
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Rowe was on the comeback trail and was possibly doing extra through the week to catch up. They then use the second half against dogs as another extra and give him a taste.

He will be ok fitness wise as the season progresses I am sure.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:52 pm 
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its also something Paul roos mentioned about him and his time at the swans.

so yes! worthwhile watching him.
I was a huge supporter of the kinds of efforts the Irishman made.
good on the ground. competitive and still provided a target. execution was not always great but was unpredictable enough that the small indigenous forwards had the reflexes to capitalise first.

will be a bigger loss than most people could believe

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:05 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Those outs shouldn't matter if we're any good...beat them last year without Duigan & Jamieson by 103 points. Pretty confident about this game.

Warnock is covered.
HBFers are covered i would have thought.
Year before Russell was 2nd in the Nicholls.
Bower back from injury and we havent had him in 2 years.
Walker out but the enigmatic but very dangerous Waite is in.
Tuohy has come through since the last season opener!
Kreuaer is back....
IM BIG KEV EXCITED!!!another season starting... we get to beat up on the hapless Tiges!!What more can a Carlton supporter ask for???
How many sleeps is it????


Now you're takin' SB!

IMO Richmond and Brisbane will be lucky to finish out of the bottom six.
We should steamroller both of them at about 80% power.
The challenge is Rnd 3.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:26 pm 
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I wish those posters who know the answers to all our problems would get involved in some official capacity at the club. You are doing us all a disservice by not doing so.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:33 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
I was a huge supporter of the kinds of efforts the Irishman made.
good on the ground. competitive and still provided a target. execution was not always great but was unpredictable enough that the small indigenous forwards had the reflexes to capitalise first.

will be a bigger loss than most people could believe


You were too focussed on Carrazzo in that WCE final which blinded you from having a closer look at Setanta.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:36 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:

Booo!!!!

That is just shocking Bondi!!!

How can you want less hair on the players? eh?
Did Sampson want less hair??
Go the FRO, and let their Freak Flags Fly Goddarn it. :thanks:


Yeah that's not my scene either....growin'...long as I can grow my hair...hair!

But the point the supporter made was that the boys don't do so well after a good media report.
Maybe they believe Robbo's prediction and have grown hairstyles akin to a photo shoot rather than being a tough footballer.
I got the point, had a giggle and then started to think....

I remember playing in finals and team mates wouldn't shave for the finals series.
Things like that to make oneself ugly and prickly were/are considered an advantage.

Nothing wrong with a buzz cut in 2012. I thought the boys' buzz cuts at the beginning of 2011 was a sign of what was going on in their head.

I just want the boys to play like they did for most of the final game against the WCE.
Intensity, spirit, never say die...brutal!...but prefer a win.

Didn't see any of that in the preseason, but I did see some good stanzas of play to suggest our boys have got what it takes to win the big one with a bit of luck.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:54 pm 
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Any ideas who we are going to play on the 200cm Tyrone Vickery when he is playing deep in the Richmond forward line.


IMO this is a serious problem....a 200cm problem.

Remember also that the new Richmond ruckman Maric also gave us a huge headache when he changed to the FP whilst at the Crows.
He's also 200cm.

We have no one in the backline to combat that sort of height...not even Jamo....imo

The key is the 3rd man up and I think Bower can do it if he's on song (circa 2009-10), and TBird is our best at it.
But if the Tigers spread their fowardline and isolate Vickery...we're in trouble. He has a 10cm plus extra reach advantage on Bower or TBird if Hendo takes Reiwoldt.

This is different trouble than the Drew Petrie trouble we had on the weekend where he led to the easy kick from the midfield. Petrie did show that his size was an advantage against the smaller Carlton backman albeit 196cms of him.

We have to dominate possession and no easy ball for their mids...so we need to keep the midfielders intensity up, commitment to the hard ball throughout the game... by keeping them fresh with rotations rotations rotations. Lucky we don't have injury to the midfield brigade, and as a result it runs deep...a good dirty dozen at least

[Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Simpson, Scotland, Carrazzo, Robinson (Geez those 8 are a good start), Curnow, Lucas, Russell, McLean, Joseph, Ellard (not all of these 14 will be selected)...and we can throw into the midfield Garlett, Betts, Yarran, Tuohy or Armfield if needed]...that's 19 names we can rotate through the midfield...yeah yeah, I know they wont all get picked, but we have atleast a dozen to add to the mix.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:59 pm 
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woof wrote:
Synbad wrote:
I was a huge supporter of the kinds of efforts the Irishman made.
good on the ground. competitive and still provided a target. execution was not always great but was unpredictable enough that the small indigenous forwards had the reflexes to capitalise first.

will be a bigger loss than most people could believe


You were too focussed on Carrazzo in that WCE final which blinded you from having a closer look at Setanta.

I thought Irish provided a contest and as a depth player and cover player did well.
we know the Irishman makes mistakes as he came from Ireland as a twenty year old and played hurling and skills were actually better than many two hundred cms talls going around.
his contest at the football and his efforts can never be questioned!

what's the excuse for John Nicholls winner carrots?

still, I would rather a tall with the fitness skills and competitive nature of Irish in the game than a vanilla small with woeful skills and on a pretty big wicket!

but it's early doors and they know best

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:30 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
woof wrote:
Synbad wrote:
I was a huge supporter of the kinds of efforts the Irishman made.
good on the ground. competitive and still provided a target. execution was not always great but was unpredictable enough that the small indigenous forwards had the reflexes to capitalise first.

will be a bigger loss than most people could believe


You were too focussed on Carrazzo in that WCE final which blinded you from having a closer look at Setanta.

I thought Irish provided a contest and as a depth player and cover player did well.
we know the Irishman makes mistakes as he came from Ireland as a twenty year old and played hurling and skills were actually better than many two hundred cms talls going around.
his contest at the football and his efforts can never be questioned!

what's the excuse for John Nicholls winner carrots?

still, I would rather a tall with the fitness skills and competitive nature of Irish in the game than a vanilla small with woeful skills and on a pretty big wicket!

but it's early doors and they know best


He would be another on our injury list if he was still at the club and wouldn't be available for Round 1 anyway.....

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