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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:35 pm 
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I didn't know we had so many qualified medicos on here!
Hats off to all of you.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:00 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
hands up those who think that the medic group are doing a wonderful job with our assets.

that should sort out the sugar coaters


It would be fair to ask questions.
It would not be fair to pretend we know better though.

Must say regardless: It doesn't look good.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:23 pm 
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The Kreuzer foot diagnosis was fair. Little bit of swelling could have caused an issue with his boots for all they knew. They took him out of the game once it became apparent it wasn't a normal circulation issue.


You say it's fair. I say it's shit. I would think I'd look after one of my prized assets better than simply guessing.

You can justify any decision, doesn't make it right.


We would be left with no player on the ground if each player that hobbled off wasn't allowed to return because there is a chance it could be something bad. You have to remember the players want to play and will say anything to get back out there. The feedback the medics get from the player would be very important info one would think.
The kruezer example doesn't wash.

The other examples are pretty good to prove your point. The Waite one and Curnow one look pretty bad.

I am not fussed over Bower doing his calf while trying to get miles into his legs after only playing a quarter. Sounds like bad luck that one unless he didnt do a warm up then its his fault and his running partners fault. But we dont know that is the case.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:32 pm 
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I think we have every angle covered on this site from the boot studder to the ceo.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:53 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
I think we have every angle covered on this site from the boot studder to the ceo.

they can prove a point and win a flag. substantially increase turnover and profits without donations from individuals. take us to the membership elite area and be more visible in a promoting stakes and so on.
there are not too many things you can call up leaders in.

maybe a different approach is warranted.

so start with an independent audit in all areas of the football club.

can't hurt can it?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:55 pm 
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harker wrote:
Synbad wrote:
hands up those who think that the medic group are doing a wonderful job with our assets.

that should sort out the sugar coaters


It would be fair to ask questions.
It would not be fair to pretend we know better though.

Must say regardless: It doesn't look good.

no but it would be fair to have experts to go through the club in all areas including the medical sector to do that right?

can't be that hard!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:00 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
harker wrote:
Synbad wrote:
hands up those who think that the medic group are doing a wonderful job with our assets.

that should sort out the sugar coaters


It would be fair to ask questions.
It would not be fair to pretend we know better though.

Must say regardless: It doesn't look good.

no but it would be fair to have experts to go through the club in all areas including the medical sector to do that right?

can't be that hard!


Absolutely so. The point is that we really don't know what is happening from here.
I questioned several incidents last year and am livid for Walker having played last week, when he didn't need to.
There may be no relationship for Walkers injury to him being played, but again: It just does not look good.

If we do indeed have an issue, we best tend to it and arrest such incidents happening again.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:25 pm 
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Didnt MarK Austiin have to stay on the field with a broken arm???
Or am i just imagining things....... like there is no heaven????

If that happened... Are we more suited to a Monty Python skit?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:56 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
I don't need a degree or knowledge of weird latin names for muscles to know that if a bloke sits out for a few weeks, is then sent into action for a half where my understanding is he was kicking on one side only at all costs, and then is ruled out with the original injury for five weeks, that something is amiss.

I could understand if they thought he was over it and he re-injured. But him kicking on his non-dominant side says that he, at least, knew he wasn't right - unless of course he's the football equivalent of Larry Bird and just wanted to kick left footed ebcause he was bored with kicking on his right.

Looking at that sequence of events, if you're completely comfortable with that scenario, fair play to you. To me that sounds like 1970s management - I'm half surprised they didn't just tell Laidler to run it off a few weeks ago.

The worse one was Jamo doing his memiscus and being allowed back on the ground.
Mind blowingly stupid . I have done one and it takes at least 3 months before you can run without pain.The only way to treat them is take out the torn bit leave as much cartlidge as possible as it wont heal because no blood supply goes to that part of the knee. He was sent back on 5 minutes later. Given the pain he experienced according to how he flexed his knee the medicos would have known it was probably a torn memiscus.
Interestingly it was against WC i think and we were getting beaten. And Jamo is our most important player IMO
When I heard about Walker's quad injury I thought . Here we flower go again. Quad injuries take a long tome to heal properly.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:20 am 
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The thing is that the level of mismanagement is so high that people are refusing to believe that it could be true.

But if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a duck, not a giraffe.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:06 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
The thing is that the level of mismanagement is so high that people are refusing to believe that it could be true.

But if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a duck, not a giraffe.


Do you have some tangible measurment of this or is this what you feel?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:56 am 
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Speaking of ducks, Armfield wobbled off at one stage on Sunday also looking very sore


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:02 pm 
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woof wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
The thing is that the level of mismanagement is so high that people are refusing to believe that it could be true.

But if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a duck, not a giraffe.


Do you have some tangible measurment of this or is this what you feel?



Haha. Have you read this thread? That was a joke right??
5 examples, not enough for you??

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:10 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:13 pm 
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Ratten is quoted on the club website as saying that at the end of the day a healthy list was what we wanted out of the pre season. With at least a quarter of the list injured i think we failed dismally.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:15 pm 
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Eddie wrote:
Ratten is quoted on the club website as saying that at the end of the day a healthy list was what we wanted out of the pre season. With at least a quarter of the list injured i think we failed dismally.

Six of those names are a week or less away from resuming. Most of those are players who have had the heaviest pre-season load in club history. My response: meh.

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Eddie wrote:
Ratten is quoted on the club website as saying that at the end of the day a healthy list was what we wanted out of the pre season. With at least a quarter of the list injured i think we failed dismally.



Good form ?? Structure??

I would hope he said it's one of the things we wanted, not the only thing

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:20 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
I think we have every angle covered on this site from the boot studder to the ceo.

they can prove a point and win a flag. substantially increase turnover and profits without donations from individuals. take us to the membership elite area and be more visible in a promoting stakes and so on.
there are not too many things you can call up leaders in.

maybe a different approach is warranted.

Why?

That works for Collingwood who have 70,000 members, yet still choose to rely on revenue from pokies and donations from Visy via Pratt's son-in-law.

I doubt they put these players back on the ground if there's a huge chance that the injury could worsen.

Kreuzer would have missed the next week anyway.

I didn't see Gibbs and Hampson trot out for the WC final injured.

Sakc them all!

People only see what they want to see.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:31 pm 
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west coast won a wooden spoon and finished two and a half games ahead of us.
they also beat us two times out of two!

we were unlucky?



I think over the course of a season and a finals tournament they showed that they deserved it!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:48 pm 
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West Coast were extremely lucky last year. They essentially had no injuries for the year. First time in years that all their senior players were fit. Also had an incredibly soft draw.

Played us with lots of injuries (Laidler, Duigan, Robinson) when we were due for a loss the first time, and then lost Jamo in the first quarter.
Played Geelong with Selwood missing because Geelong were stupid enough to challenge, got an armchair ride from the umps, and only just got up
Second time round against us we were missing 3 of our top 6, another armchair ride from the umps, won by 3 points.

This year they've already lost Le Cras, and also Nicoski for an extended period.
They will slide.


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