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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:05 am 
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Awful performance from the medical/sports science team with Walker.

He's been carrying that quad for a while now, they play him against Brisbane, he only kicks on his left, gets subbed off and now is going to miss five.

It would be funny if we weren't paying them so much money.

Can't help the Laidler type impact issues, fair enough. But the questions on how effectively we manage players keep getting louder and louder. Really disappointing. Amateur hour stuff.

Seems to be an ongoing trend with our mob. The number of injuries that occured (or were exacerbated) by players being sent out there (or generally overworked, eg. Bower injuring himself running laps after the Collingwood game) when they weren't 100% was one of the more frustrating parts of last year, and already we've seen it before the ball has even been bounced in anger. I've said it til I've been blue in the face, until our player management inproves, we won't win a flag. Simple as that.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:09 am 
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Does anyone know anything about Simon White and where he is at???? Injury page says he is 1 week away but what was the issue and likely to play at all early season????


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:15 am 
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I find it astounding that people here with little or no knowledge of sports science etc feel that they know more than those in the coal face.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:46 am 
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kingkerna wrote:
I find it astounding that people here with little or no knowledge of sports science etc feel that they know more than those in the coal face.

I wouldn't stop at sports science.

Add recruiting, coaching and communications to your post.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:03 am 
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Kouta wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
I find it astounding that people here with little or no knowledge of sports science etc feel that they know more than those in the coal face.

I wouldn't stop at sports science.

Add recruiting, coaching and communications to your post.


You forgot playing at the highest level as well.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:09 am 
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Judd hobbled off in the last quarter yesterday with what appeared to be a sore knee - to say I was a bit puzzled seeing him return to the field not long after is understating things - putting him in cotton wool not an option ?

I doubt it was a sore knee then. Henderson twinged his ankle at one point, would have looked like a calf injury for some, surprised no one's picked up on that one.

Played the game out after a minute or so of hobbling.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:27 am 
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i was near the interchange when judd came off and it was def a corky

after some very brief treatment he was straight back up and basically told everyone he was going back on.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:51 am 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
Kouta wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
I find it astounding that people here with little or no knowledge of sports science etc feel that they know more than those in the coal face.

I wouldn't stop at sports science.

Add recruiting, coaching and communications to your post.


You forgot playing at the highest level as well.


I say lets hand the reins of the Club over to Synbad and Roy!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:55 am 
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Oh, you said Synbad and Roy

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:01 pm 
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Oh, you said Synbad and Roy


Maybe after round 1 as to avoid a tiger mauling.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:03 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
I find it astounding that people here with little or no knowledge of sports science etc feel that they know more than those in the coal face.


Agree

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:50 pm 
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er, excuse me,
I do have level 2 first aid you know! :smoking:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:10 pm 
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So when Curnow breaks his collarbone and can't lift his arm above his head, the club sends him back on the ground where he is unable to participate, looks in extreme pain and may well have worsened his injury, we should say "Well, they know better than me"

When Kreuzer tells the medical staff, he has no feeling in his foot, they run him onto the ground anyway in a meaningless game and we lose him for the season, but "They know better".

When Waite injures his hip against the Tigers and is obviously labouring, he plays the following week against the Dogs, goes off after 1/4 time and we lose him for the season but "they know better".

Don't ever assume the "experts" can't do the wrong thing. I would rather the club get someone in to review how things are working/not working than blindly accept everything the medical team decides. Because from the outside looking in, we are clearly not in the eilte group for injury management.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:29 pm 
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I would suggest the coaching staff would be placing pressure on the medical team to devise quicker recovery methods, rather than the other way around. They wouldn't be asking for anything ridiculous, but simply pointing to other clubs and asking why they can't do that.

The Kreuzer foot diagnosis was fair. Little bit of swelling could have caused an issue with his boots for all they knew. They took him out of the game once it became apparent it wasn't a normal circulation issue.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:38 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
The Kreuzer foot diagnosis was fair. Little bit of swelling could have caused an issue with his boots for all they knew. They took him out of the game once it became apparent it wasn't a normal circulation issue.


You say it's fair. I say it's shit. I would think I'd look after one of my prized assets better than simply guessing.

You can justify any decision, doesn't make it right.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:43 pm 
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The Kreuzer foot diagnosis was fair. Little bit of swelling could have caused an issue with his boots for all they knew. They took him out of the game once it became apparent it wasn't a normal circulation issue.


You say it's fair. I say it's shit. I would think I'd look after one of my prized assets better than simply guessing.

You can justify any decision, doesn't make it right.

Ultimately it was wrong, but a person's foot going to sleep isn't cause for concern if it's only a few minutes. It's a circulation issue, not a ligament or a bone break or anything quite so visceral.

They looked after that one well. It's the stuff they're prepared to let slide with injuries these days that makes me scratch my head in disbelief.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:58 pm 
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hands up those who think that the medic group are doing a wonderful job with our assets.

that should sort out the sugar coaters

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:22 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
hands up those who think that the medic group are doing a wonderful job with our assets.

that should sort out the sugar coaters


Or those living in that big river in Egypt. Whats that called again??

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:26 pm 
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And yet while we're taking a conservative approach with all our currently injured players, and everyone still bitches and moans about it.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:32 pm 
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I don't need a degree or knowledge of weird latin names for muscles to know that if a bloke sits out for a few weeks, is then sent into action for a half where my understanding is he was kicking on one side only at all costs, and then is ruled out with the original injury for five weeks, that something is amiss.

I could understand if they thought he was over it and he re-injured. But him kicking on his non-dominant side says that he, at least, knew he wasn't right - unless of course he's the football equivalent of Larry Bird and just wanted to kick left footed ebcause he was bored with kicking on his right.

Looking at that sequence of events, if you're completely comfortable with that scenario, fair play to you. To me that sounds like 1970s management - I'm half surprised they didn't just tell Laidler to run it off a few weeks ago.


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