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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:16 pm 
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Live stream a big hit

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CFC TV's live stream of Carlton's NAB Cup match against the Brisbane Lions from Maroochydore was a huge success with thousands of Carlton supporters logging onto the Carlton website during the match.

I wonder if they counted unique visitors, or page views. If there's 500 people refreshing the page for a working stream, kinda bumps up your numbers...

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"We were delighted the AFL and Fox enabled us to stream the game live as it provided Carlton supporters all over the world with the opportunity to see and hear the game," said Carlton's General Manager Communications Ian Coutts.

No it didn't, Ian. It was Australian viewers only, and your own department confirmed this.

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"It was a challenge for our multimedia team as this was a first for Carlton. Combined with the location which required additional infrastructure to be brought in, it is a real credit to our multimedia team, and with the assistance of the AFL and Telstra, that the stream was such a success."

No it wasn't, Ian. A significant chunk of your viewing audience missed most of the first quarter due to technical issues, and I presume quite a few of them switched off in disgust, along with those who couldn't dicern players who were comprised of about 60 pixels.

The additional infrastructure, a 4G modem, was positioned in the one place, short of the change rooms, where the signal would have been at its worst, and was tested as successful before approximately 4000 additional mobile phone signals descended on the area. To deliver a 256 kbbps stream in the middle of the biggest 4G coverage area in Queensland is a systematic failure to understand what you were undertaking in broadcast your coverage.

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"We hope this is the start of more live streaming of Carlton training and events on CFC TV in 2012. We certainly know our multimedia team is equipped to ensure we are in a position to succeed in this area," Coutts added.

They absolutely are well equipped to succeed, as shown by last year's coverage of the John Nicholls medal, and the new wireless broadcast equipment. Sadly, they got it wrong here in what would have been a showcase event for the clubs' multimedia, IT & social media units. To top it off, we put in a bad shift on field, so the whole event was a PR nightmare, hence this rubbish puff piece.

The club only has to look at the slowing up of membership uptake over the last 3 weeks to realise they are sacrificing revenue in the name of preparation to too great a degree due to an unwillingness to spread senior talent more across of our matches, and they've now hammered home the sentiment with slapdash production work.

A convincing performance has become surprisingly more critical for membership figures and good press, and by extension the confidence of staff and players. I sincerely hope the club are not dismissive of what a win offers them in the way of PR control, especially given our split revenue agreements in three of the first four matches of the season (luckily the value of an 11 game membership won't have diminished greatly at that point).


Instead of nitpicking, jimmae, why can't you just be grateful that you were even given the opportunity to see the game at all? Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it was much better than nothing, and the club deserves credit for showing the initiative to even attempt to stream the game live when it certainly was under no obligation to do so.


Because Jimmae could have done a better job than they did. Perfectly reasonable.

Hire Jimmae.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:17 pm 
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My stream was so crap it didn't even pick up ANY of our second half goals :mad: :mad:

you lost me at crap :sly:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:17 pm 
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Its about alot of things not about just winning or losing.
Its man on man..how you fight it out... and players putting their hand up... running into some kind of form .. etc

Its not about the bet!

lol

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:18 pm 
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I like the nit picking Jim. Keep it up. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:31 pm 
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My stream was so crap it didn't even pick up ANY of our second half goals :mad: :mad:



:grin:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:49 pm 
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Don't give a rats toss bag about the score but more concerned about the lack of game time for Walker, Would have thought if he was being eased back he would have played at least half a game. Hope he is ok.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:58 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
Instead of nitpicking, jimmae, why can't you just be grateful that you were even given the opportunity to see the game at all? Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it was much better than nothing, and the club deserves credit for showing the initiative to even attempt to stream the game live when it certainly was under no obligation to do so.

Mate, that was multimedia delivery circa 1999. I am not grateful that the club has so little regard for outside help that they churned out garbage video quality on an otherwise acceptable piece of coverage.

It wasn't for lack of resources, it was a @#$%&! software setting, or repositioning the antenna. That was the difference, and no amount of CFC Multimedia tweets or club articles can hide from that. Absolutely stupid from people who are employed specifically to do these simple checks as part of their prep work.

No doubt Telstra's CDN encoding setup didn't help matters as what they do with 2 Mbps video most people can produce today with 650 kbps. Sadly, Telstra seems intent on making mediocre video content smooth on machines over a decade old.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:11 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Its about alot of things not about just winning or losing.
Its man on man..how you fight it out... and players putting their hand up... running into some kind of form .. etc

Its not about the bet!

lol

You got more out of than the Carlton footy cub...

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:21 pm 
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isdonis.george wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Its about alot of things not about just winning or losing.
Its man on man..how you fight it out... and players putting their hand up... running into some kind of form .. etc

Its not about the bet!

lol

You got more out of than the Carlton footy cub...

Sinbad gives C.F.C. the old one-two


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:51 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Blues2005 wrote:
Instead of nitpicking, jimmae, why can't you just be grateful that you were even given the opportunity to see the game at all? Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it was much better than nothing, and the club deserves credit for showing the initiative to even attempt to stream the game live when it certainly was under no obligation to do so.

Mate, that was multimedia delivery circa 1999. I am not grateful that the club has so little regard for outside help that they churned out garbage video quality on an otherwise acceptable piece of coverage.

It wasn't for lack of resources, it was a !@#$%& software setting, or repositioning the antenna. That was the difference, and no amount of CFC Multimedia tweets or club articles can hide from that. Absolutely stupid from people who are employed specifically to do these simple checks as part of their prep work.

No doubt Telstra's CDN encoding setup didn't help matters as what they do with 2 Mbps video most people can produce today with 650 kbps. Sadly, Telstra seems intent on making mediocre video content smooth on machines over a decade old.


I'll have to defer to your obviously greater knowledge of the more technical aspects of 21st century multimedia broadcasting.

I am sure that most people who watched the stream (and probably even the club itself) would acknowledge that the broadcast itself was not perfect. All I am saying (and I think that most would agree) is that the club deserves to be applauded for providing supporters with the opportunity to watch a match that they would otherwise never have seen.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:23 pm 
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The CFC broadcast was only necessary because the good old AFL has sold their souls to Foxtel and Channel 7. To hell with the supporters. I have never seen so little interest in a NAB cup as this year. Most of the people I talk to dont even know or worry about who is playing, because it is not on free to air TV.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:25 pm 
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Other clubs have blazed the trail for us already, notably Richmond last year who offered replays of untelevised pre-season matches, and Collingwood do several live events. Hell, we did the John Nicholls medal dinner live with the same equipment bar the 4G modem, albeit over a land line connection.

Chances are they had more than enough bandwidth to push out a proper HD stream, but they were limited by their expertise and Telstra's content delivery options (your AFL media rights hard at work). Anyone who has a basic understanding of radio signals and line speed testing would have been able to work out what needed to be done to ensure best signal and what was possible. Oh well.

We got Team 'Success' broadcasting in a tin shed:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:36 pm 
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jacko wrote:
The CFC broadcast was only necessary because the good old AFL has sold their souls to Foxtel and Channel 7. To hell with the supporters. I have never seen so little interest in a NAB cup as this year. Most of the people I talk to dont even know or worry about who is playing, because it is not on free to air TV.

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bullshit

this game would never have been broadcast under all the previous broadcasting agreements

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:08 pm 
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I hope certain ppl on the Board and the CEO will be made aware of the very interesting comments regarding the quality of the broadcast...

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:56 pm 
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to link our membership numbers with our pre season form is laughable, only a handful of ape like creatures are talking doom and gloom.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:19 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
to link our membership numbers with our pre season form is laughable, only a handful of ape like creatures are talking doom and gloom.



Observations on some poor performances yesterday aren't necessarily talking gloom and doom. As stated elsewhere, the club was disappointed that some of the second and third tier players didn't rise to the occasion. Next week's efforts will shed a better light on our progress. Ape like? Ouch!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:34 pm 
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Ooh, Chimpanze that!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:30 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
to link our membership numbers with our pre season form is laughable, only a handful of ape like creatures are talking doom and gloom.

To think results which can be construed as negative do not affect membership growth is laughable. If they are arrogant enough to let the negativity snowball then eventually it will catch up to them.

I'm not concerned, but I can imagine the average supporter might be scratching their heads.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:33 pm 
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The average supporter who is intending to renew won't alter that intention because of praccy match form

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:35 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
The average supporter who is intending to renew won't alter that intention because of praccy match form


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