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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:50 pm 
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Ratts wants Blues to kill the clock
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CARLTON coach Brett Ratten moved swiftly to address his team’s latest fadeout during its third successive NAB Cup loss.

Ratten raised the subject immediately after watching his Blues concede a goal in the last minute to the Western Bulldogs at Etihad Stadium last night.

"We talked after the game how our last three games in the NAB Cup we've lost them all by pretty close margins in the last three minutes,’’ midfielder Ed Curnow said.

"So we've got to address holding onto the ball at the end of the game and trying to keep it in our forward half. But it's still reasonably positive.

Please someone tell me this isn't only being addressed NOW :banghead:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:13 am 
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Whenever we have tried icing the clock in the past supporters have gone stupid when the old hand holding the ball in the air has happened.

We've been doing this for years. Why people get cranky when a practice match doesn't result in a 'killer knockout' :roll: is baffling.

The important games are played at the end of the season lets not use all our aces now.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:01 am 
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all games are important!
habits are habits!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:05 am 
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Synbad wrote:
all games are important!
habits are habits!


Rubbish. All games aren't important.

Habits in the season proper is all I am interested in not this pyjama game.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:57 am 
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If the coach and players are concerned about it, I think it's fair to say perhaps we should be too.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:21 am 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
Synbad wrote:
all games are important!
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Rubbish. All games aren't important.

Habits in the season proper is all I am interested in not this pyjama game.

rubbish!
very hard to unlearn bad habits!
pyjama game as you call it is putting into place what youre learning in those secret practice sessions we lock supporters out of.

if you think were good enough to not knuckle down in the pyjama game and will suddelnly become heros when the real stuff starts you have been drinking the medias bathwater!

so far we have not achieved anything ,which means we are not forming all the desirable functions to achieve the ultimate prize!

its nice you remember the eighties when we didnt care about night games but still won flags on talent.

long time ago though!

and those winning habits those sides had have not been a constant.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:40 am 
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From memory; we won the Wizard Cup easily in 2005..............AND the wooden spoon..... :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:51 am 
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Was an interesting discussion on 'on the couch' last night regarding Geelong. Basically talking about how a bunch of no names who have played ressies for a couple of years were developed and able play to the Geelong game plan in the NAB Cup. They were able to give a more experienced (by average matches played and age) Gold Coast side a touch up.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:05 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
Synbad wrote:
all games are important!
habits are habits!


Rubbish. All games aren't important.

Habits in the season proper is all I am interested in not this pyjama game.

rubbish!
very hard to unlearn bad habits! so over a 2 game period, the team has picked up some filthy habits that they won't be able to get rid of by round 1
pyjama game as you call it is putting into place what youre learning in those secret practice sessions we lock supporters out of. do you think all clubs have played their hands in terms of what they want to achieve this season ie structure, set ups etc or are they just getting some games into the younguns and playing a few players in different positions just see something different being played in an intra club?

if you think were good enough to not knuckle down in the pyjama game and will suddelnly become heros when the real stuff starts you have been drinking the medias bathwater! we did really well for a few years in the PJ game and then went to bathwater [not the media bathwater either] in the season proper. Which would you prefer? I know what I would prefer

so far we have not achieved anything ,which means we are not forming all the desirable functions to achieve the ultimate prize! FFS did you want to hold the NAB Cup aloft in a few weeks so that we can say woo @#$%&! hoo - how good are our habits, structures and systems?

its nice you remember the eighties when we didnt care about night games but still won flags on talent. l wasn't born in the 80s so please tell me what it was like back then?

long time ago though!

and those winning habits those sides had have not been a constant.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:18 am 
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Coughing up goals and into sticking them lines? :?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:47 am 
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Lowey_47 wrote:
Was an interesting discussion on 'on the couch' last night regarding Geelong. Basically talking about how a bunch of no names who have played ressies for a couple of years were developed and able play to the Geelong game plan in the NAB Cup. They were able to give a more experienced (by average matches played and age) Gold Coast side a touch up.


Without wanting to start a 50 page debate, I wonder if Jeremy Laidler started his career with Carlton whether he would be a different player development wise?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:50 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Juanita Jones wrote:
Synbad wrote:
all games are important!
habits are habits!


Rubbish. All games aren't important.

Habits in the season proper is all I am interested in not this pyjama game.

rubbish!
very hard to unlearn bad habits!


Like being happy with losing? Those back end of season games in 04/05/06 meant nothing remember.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:04 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
If the coach and players are concerned about it, I think it's fair to say perhaps we should be too.

They don't sound too concerned with the result.

They're more interested in the process.

Don't judge us yet: Curnow
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"[Winning is] probably not as important as it is to try guys out in some positions.

"We'll probably want to go into the season with some winning form - who wouldn't want that? But we also want to try out guys in different positions and see how a few of the younger guys go."

"I think each week the group is definitely getting more excited to play in round one - that's what we're focusing on," he said.

"Each week we're practicing a different thing in our game plan.

"At the moment all we're focusing on is improving each week and practicing different things in our game plan to make us a different team to what we were against West Coast [who ended the Blues' finals campaign] last year.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:04 pm 
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Heavs wrote:


Like being happy with losing? Those back end of season games in 04/05/06 meant nothing remember.


Exactly heavs.

There were a number of players out there on the weekend from the tanking era.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:17 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
Synbad wrote:
[quotJuanita Jones"]
Synbad wrote:
all games are important!
habits are habits!


Rubbish. All games aren't important.

Habits in the season proper is all I am interested in not this pyjama game.

rubbish!
very hard to unlearn bad habits!


Like being happy with losing? Those back end of season games in 04/05/06 meant nothing remember.[/quote]
lol

horses for courses
we were a basketcase
we got murphy kreuzer gibbs and judd

but you mean to tell me years later we need bad habits?

so ur argument from what i understand is we dont need those players plus not improve bad habits?

right?

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We probably should just copy Hawthorn. (it's Hawthorn we want to be like this month right?)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:56 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
If the coach and players are concerned about it, I think it's fair to say perhaps we should be too.

They don't sound too concerned with the result.

They're more interested in the process.

Don't judge us yet: Curnow
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"[Winning is] probably not as important as it is to try guys out in some positions.

"We'll probably want to go into the season with some winning form - who wouldn't want that? But we also want to try out guys in different positions and see how a few of the younger guys go."

"I think each week the group is definitely getting more excited to play in round one - that's what we're focusing on," he said.

"Each week we're practicing a different thing in our game plan.

"At the moment all we're focusing on is improving each week and practicing different things in our game plan to make us a different team to what we were against West Coast [who ended the Blues' finals campaign] last year.

ok so we are practicing in those games what we are training!
I felt much better hearing that!


to be a different team to the one that played west coast in the finals?

interesting comment !

what does that all mean to you if you were asked to analyse it on what you have seen!
obviously you posted the quote like it means something.

or is it something more cryptic and supposed to remain a mystery!

I get the tall forwards down one end but the rest of the game?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:04 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Like being happy with losing? Those back end of season games in 04/05/06 meant nothing remember.

lol

horses for courses
we were a basketcase
we got murphy kreuzer gibbs and judd

but you mean to tell me years later we need bad habits?

so ur argument from what i understand is we dont need those players plus not improve bad habits?

right?


I agree with bits of what you are saying but i think its a bit rich of you to say "all games are important" and "habits are habits" when you were so into tanking games a few years back.
A lot of players from those years were out there on the weekend. Even some who we recruited straight into tanking sides so if i was to do a Synbad and lay on the spin thick i could paint a pretty damning picture about the habits our players got from not trying to win for 1-3 seasons.

I am not against what we did back in the mid 2000's but I would not knowingly contradict myself to the extreme by saying "every game counts" in a pre season a few years later.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:08 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
We probably should just copy Hawthorn. (it's Hawthorn we want to be like this month right?)


Two seasons ago the hawthorn gameplan was known as chippy chippy and was useless in the eyes of some when Ratts had us doing it before the hawks dreamt it up.


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