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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:44 am 
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So Waite's new contract should be done and dusted this week.

so should Mitch Robinson's

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:10 pm 
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Robbo? He already has a contract for next year doesn't he?

We should be doing Yarrans, and Gibbs contracte extensions early I hope.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:55 pm 
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Robbo? He already has a contract for next year doesn't he?

We should be doing Yarrans, and Gibbs contracte extensions early I hope.


You obviously have not heard everything stops because Icke is gone.
Trades, contract negotiations, the whole lot.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:07 pm 
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jim wrote:
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Up to the coaches to make the 3 big blokes work. We have invested heavily in all 3 so it is up to the coaches to get the return on investment. You don't need a dominant key forward these days to win games, you just need to be able to compete.
We had a dominant key forward a few years ago, 80% of the ball went to him and if he had a bad day we were up shit creek.
You don't give Hampson a new 3 year contract to play in the Bullants.
Coaches need to turn the 3 big blokes into a weapon.



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Hampson will be that weapon in 2012. The worst thing the MC could do is start panicking early in the season if it's not working. Leave him at FF all year. when in doubt, bomb it into the goal square and watch the boy fly to either take a grab or to bring it down the ravenous crumbers to goal. Must be played at FF every game


Hampson is not and will never be a FF. Certainly never has been, as we've seen, and never will be. Can he time a lead, use his body in a marking contest? Then after all that he can't catch a cold. Opposition will soon work out he'll drop it and their defence will have it swooped downfield before we know what's happened. He won't be a great help defensively. KP forward is a skill on it's own. We just delisted a bloke today who is a way better forward, and I mean way better. The bloke who dominated at CHF in the EF is also a way better forward. Fair chance we could bring in Casboult and he'd be a better forward. Luckily the bloke we delisted today was alot worse ruckman, which, funnily enough, is Hampson's position and where he should play as it's a skill he's really good at. Opposition would love us playing 3 ruckman. Worked for Essendon*.......not! We'll play 2 with one in the two's as insurance. That's why you have 3 ruckmen.

It won't be the MC that panics, supporters will panic after two practice games.


IMHO you are wrong....and while I'm at it, so is Synbad. Time will tell and I'm prepared to back my call that he could be the next Paul Salmon

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:51 pm 
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One can be taught how to mark the footy and judge the ball in flight. One can practice how to kick for goal.

One cannot suddenly become 7ft tall, super agile, quick and powerful.

Hampson deserves the chance to make the spot his own.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:05 pm 
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99prelim wrote:

IMHO you are wrong....and while I'm at it, so is Synbad. Time will tell and I'm prepared to back my call that he could be the next Paul Salmon
Based on what? Hope? Can't be from watching him play.

Most unlikely. Salmon was natural forward too as well and starring in that role at 19. Hampson doesn't have a clue how to play the position. It's a different skill. Purely a very good ruckman. If Kreuzer struggles to be a KP forward then Hampson won't be. Probably just ruin him trying. Evidence thus far tells me I'm right. People forget the tearing of their hair out earlier in the year, dropping everything, kicking like crap when he got it. I was relieved when Setanta came in to replace him at the time. They won't come good out of dreaming about it at night. If he can't play the position now we'll spend years teaching him so he probably never will. Won't work in a pre-season. By then someone else will be in the role. Why play him there when Thornton will do twice as good a job. That we've seen too. Setanta was a much better forward too. Hampson can rest forward as support without the KP pressure, although he may have Warnock ahead of him in the ruck role.

Good thing for me, if I 'm wrong, it's a win/win. I'm wrong, club benefits.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:11 pm 
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seanpb wrote:
One can be taught how to mark the footy and judge the ball in flight. One can practice how to kick for goal.

One cannot suddenly become 7ft tall, super agile, quick and powerful.

Hampson deserves the chance to make the spot his own.
Probably can be taught when they 12. Bit harder at 24 when all you've been is a natural ruckman from Queensland.

If it costs us then, no, he doesn't deserves to try to make the spot his own, especially when other's have played the role better.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:26 pm 
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seanpb wrote:
One can be taught how to mark the footy and judge the ball in flight. One can practice how to kick for goal.

One cannot suddenly become 7ft tall, super agile, quick and powerful.

Hampson deserves the chance to make the spot his own.

if u r looking at Hampton to make the full forward role his own when he is more suited in the Ruck and he hasn't made that his own yet.... gourd trying to murder the guy.

he has so far some pretty shocking placement of himself.

his positioning is terrible
his hands are blocks of concrete
his kicking is worse than setantas

let him develop his ruckwork and then see what else he can do.


full forward Paul salmon type? wow!

next ellard is going to be the next mcleod and carrazzo is jarman.

just let him Ruck and learn to tap the ball to our advantage and pick up some disposal and then worry about turning him into the next salmon who was a freak footballer not an athlete learning the footy basics.

I know we can get carried away but hammer has a long way to go

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:51 am 
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Oh FFS, can we please sign Gibbs to a 10 year contract so we don't have a year of people stressing over him going to Adelaide every 2 years?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:21 am 
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99prelim wrote:
IMHO you are wrong....and while I'm at it, so is Synbad. Time will tell and I'm prepared to back my call that he could be the next Paul Salmon


Who said he is going to be the next Paul Salmon and who said he needs to be the next Paul Salmon? Hammer does not have to kick 60 goals, I'd be happy with 20-25. What he needs to do is compete and stop his opponent from becoming an offensive weapon.


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jim wrote:
seanpb wrote:
One can be taught how to mark the footy and judge the ball in flight. One can practice how to kick for goal.

One cannot suddenly become 7ft tall, super agile, quick and powerful.

Hampson deserves the chance to make the spot his own.
Probably can be taught when they 12. Bit harder at 24 when all you've been is a natural ruckman from Queensland.

If it costs us then, no, he doesn't deserves to try to make the spot his own, especially when other's have played the role better.


But they can't be taught when its their full time job and only commitment and, because of that, they're at a footy club every day of the week?

Right.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:23 am 
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seanpb wrote:
jim wrote:
seanpb wrote:
One can be taught how to mark the footy and judge the ball in flight. One can practice how to kick for goal.

One cannot suddenly become 7ft tall, super agile, quick and powerful.

Hampson deserves the chance to make the spot his own.
Probably can be taught when they 12. Bit harder at 24 when all you've been is a natural ruckman from Queensland.

If it costs us then, no, he doesn't deserves to try to make the spot his own, especially when other's have played the role better.


But they can't be taught when its their full time job and only commitment and, because of that, they're at a footy club every day of the week?

Right.
Not necessarily. Skill can be improved, like in anything, but not necessarily to the standard required. Like anything in life though if it's not your natural skill you improve but but get only so good. He's been around the AFL for a while. If he could do it, it could've clicked in better than it has now as he'd have some idea.

While we're wasting our time developing him as a forward we take away that time from improving him we he plays best, as a ruckman. In the end you get an unfulfilled potential as a ruckman and a sh1t forward. Would be Ants bound before you knew it then get the sh1ts because he's not being used in his favoured role. Will soon look for a new home. The lesson will be then always play your players to their strengths to get the best out of them and for the club. Use a blokes who can already play there like Waite and Thornton and let Hampson ruck and support those two when he's resting.


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Wherever he plays, he needs to get enough of the pill. For Hampson, it's all about athleticism so we have to find the best way to utilise that.

I wouldn't care if people whinged about him but it wouldn't surprise me if it was many of the same people who would cry foul if we traded him. Get a grip folks, he's either good for something, or he's not. We'll have to trust the club to get the best out of him or he's good for nothing (I say, philosophically). The whole idea that the players on our list (except for the likes of Murphy and Judd) are 'stock' irks me no end.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:50 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
Wherever he plays, he needs to get enough of the pill. For Hampson, it's all about athleticism so we have to find the best way to utilise that.

I wouldn't care if people whinged about him but it wouldn't surprise me if it was many of the same people who would cry foul if we traded him. Get a grip folks, he's either good for something, or he's not. We'll have to trust the club to get the best out of him or he's good for nothing (I say, philosophically). The whole idea that the players on our list (except for the likes of Murphy and Judd) are 'stock' irks me no end.


Certainly good for something....rucking. Just argue he's not a forward and never will be. No complaints at all what he does when in the ruck. Saw some cracking games when he finally got a shot at the no.1 role. Pity he got hurt.

As for trading if he did go I wouldn't blame him as he is probably no.3 here where he'd be the no.1 at many clubs. Would depend what we traded him for for before "whinging"...lol! He must see the club going somewhere to hang around and compete for a position even if it means missing out sometimes, which can only be good for us.


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So has Andy McKay signed up Jarrad yet?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:47 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
seanpb wrote:
One can be taught how to mark the footy and judge the ball in flight. One can practice how to kick for goal.

One cannot suddenly become 7ft tall, super agile, quick and powerful.

Hampson deserves the chance to make the spot his own.

if u r looking at Hampton to make the full forward role his own when he is more suited in the Ruck and he hasn't made that his own yet.... gourd trying to murder the guy.

he has so far some pretty shocking placement of himself.

his positioning is terrible
his hands are blocks of concrete
his kicking is worse than setantas

let him develop his ruckwork and then see what else he can do.


full forward Paul salmon type? wow!

next ellard is going to be the next mcleod and carrazzo is jarman.

just let him Ruck and learn to tap the ball to our advantage and pick up some disposal and then worry about turning him into the next salmon who was a freak footballer not an athlete learning the footy basics.

I know we can get carried away but hammer has a long way to go



You've banged on for years about our lack of interventionist development. if you don't believe that the club can teach a 23-24 year old to mark consistently and lead/position well, then we may as well shut the place down.

Had he not got injured this year, many on this site would would have a totally different view of the guy. Once he gets his confidence up, he will be a freak. That's my opinion

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:56 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Synbad wrote:
seanpb wrote:
One can be taught how to mark the footy and judge the ball in flight. One can practice how to kick for goal.

One cannot suddenly become 7ft tall, super agile, quick and powerful.

Hampson deserves the chance to make the spot his own.

if u r looking at Hampton to make the full forward role his own when he is more suited in the Ruck and he hasn't made that his own yet.... gourd trying to murder the guy.

he has so far some pretty shocking placement of himself.

his positioning is terrible
his hands are blocks of concrete
his kicking is worse than setantas

let him develop his ruckwork and then see what else he can do.


full forward Paul salmon type? wow!

next ellard is going to be the next mcleod and carrazzo is jarman.

just let him Ruck and learn to tap the ball to our advantage and pick up some disposal and then worry about turning him into the next salmon who was a freak footballer not an athlete learning the footy basics.

I know we can get carried away but hammer has a long way to go



You've banged on for years about our lack of interventionist development. if you don't believe that the club can teach a 23-24 year old to mark consistently and lead/position well, then we may as well shut the place down.

Had he not got injured this year, many on this site would would have a totally different view of the guy. Once he gets his confidence up, he will be a freak. That's my opinion

freak full forward or freak ruckman?
or just a freak?

in the history of the game not many freak full forward rickman freaks.
the guy still hasn't played three good games In five years.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:09 pm 
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freak full forward or freak ruckman?
or just a freak?

in the history of the game not many freak full forward rickman freaks.
the guy still hasn't played three good games In five years.


And yet he gets a three year deal and Irish gets cut.
Phew .. I hope they know what they're doing.


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So has Andy McKay signed up Jarrad yet?


Haven't you heard;
He's too busy going out to lunch and livin' it up with the old boys network.
In fact i'd assume Waite wants to go now that cronyism has ensured an ex player got a gig at Carlton.
OH Waite is THAT Vin's son.

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choo wrote:
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So has Andy McKay signed up Jarrad yet?


Haven't you heard;
He's too busy going out to lunch and livin' it up with the old boys network.
In fact i'd assume Waite wants to go now that cronyism has ensured an ex player got a gig at Carlton.
OH Waite is THAT Vin's son.



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