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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:15 am 
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getting a gws pick could help us get goddard

chuck hammer FF and spend entire preseason and season up forward and by finals he could be a target and with gibbs murphys goddard and judd running around the mid field and walker garlett and betts streaming forward kicking goals and our new dynamite young backline we wud be contenders for sure



Hammer FF? How many times has that failed. He's not a forward backside. It's why he's a ruckman and a good one at that.


OK. I'll play.

Two. three?

Hammer was playing his best footy ever when he got hurt. He has been playing Aussie rules for about 7 years. Jack Hawkins has been playing Aussie rules for 16 years (and his father played, I don't know, maybe 180 VFL games) and has just come good. And he's IIRC the same age as Hammer.


But, sure, wipe Hammer off a a potential forward, if that's what you want.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:31 am 
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And by the way Jim, Hawkins has played most of his life as a KPF.

Since being drafted into AFL he has played 79 games as a KPF and occasional relief ruckman.
About 40 of those games were crap, 25 were so-so and 14 passable or better.

Hampson has played 44 AFL games, almost exclusively as a relief ruckman with occasional stints as a forward pocket (but most time not on the ball spent on the bench). He has spent maybe a total of 10 quarters as a FF.

Yet you want to dismiss him out-of-hand as a possibility to solve our vacancy up forward.

Lucky for Geelong you weren't in charge cause Hawkins and West would have been given the bullet 2 years ago.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:54 am 
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Given Ratts lumped him with the forwards rather than the ruck at last nights Medal ceremony I guess he will be given a great chance at becoming a key forward next year.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:58 am 
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Given Ratts lumped him with the forwards rather than the ruck at last nights Medal ceremony I guess he will be given a great chance at becoming a key forward next year.


It makes sense to me.
We won't be getting a blue chip forward in the trade period and we have a couple of youngsters that need a bit of development. Our coaches need to develop a plan that allows Warnock, Kreuzer and Hampson play good footy in the same team.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:23 am 
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Its in the leftie paper so it must be true

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... 1l7em.html

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:03 am 
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The Blues and Waite have agreed that he is worth about $1.5 million over three years

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... z1ZrRIt7Oe


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:20 am 
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I spoke to Waitey last night and he said he aint going anywhere. He loves Carlton..
So he might be leaving??


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:25 am 
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Hopefully that means he plays for free in 2012 and $750,000 in each of 2013/2014 of which 50% can be on the veteran's list. :)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:14 pm 
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And by the way Jim, Hawkins has played most of his life as a KPF.

Since being drafted into AFL he has played 79 games as a KPF and occasional relief ruckman.
About 40 of those games were crap, 25 were so-so and 14 passable or better.

Hampson has played 44 AFL games, almost exclusively as a relief ruckman with occasional stints as a forward pocket (but most time not on the ball spent on the bench). He has spent maybe a total of 10 quarters as a FF.

Yet you want to dismiss him out-of-hand as a possibility to solve our vacancy up forward.

Lucky for Geelong you weren't in charge cause Hawkins and West would have been given the bullet 2 years ago.
Lucky you're not in charge should be more to the point because you are struggling here big time. You don't seem to know the difference between a KP forward (Hawkins) and a ruckman (Hampson) to start with. To start with who is talking giving someone the @rse. I suggested Hampson was a great ruckman but one awful crappy forward. Get that right before you start.

Why are you comparing these two players. Different players, different positions. Hawkins was recruited as a KP forward first and foremost and hence needed to turn into a good one. His job was to play KP forward. He gives relief in the ruck at times, but with West there meant he didn't have to lately. Hampson one the other hand is a ruckman only and was recruited as such. He is not a relief ruckman, he a a genuine first ruckman. You killed your argument right there with the comparison. Hampson been a awful any time he has been forward for the reasons I've made clear previously. Turning ruckman in KP forward rarely works because the KP is a developed skill on it's own. Similarly very few KP forwards would be any good in the ruck for the same reason. Maybe why Hawkins will turn out a good KP forward and Hampson won't but could end up a terrific ruckman. Try another comparison.

We already tried Hampson as a forward and failed....and failed. We tore our hair out earlier in the year and in the end alot wanted him dropped for Setanta (until Kreuzer came back) despite the fact the later couldn't ruck that well. Given supporters generally have a memory span of no more than 3 games it's not surprised that this is forgotten. I'll have Thornton a million times over as a KP forward, until Mitchell develops, because he can do everything there Hampson can't there............play the position, read the play up there, use the body and take contested marks, not to mention some great pack marks, plus kick straight. Think we've seen all that. Why would one change that to put Hampson there.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:52 pm 
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jim wrote:
kkk wrote:
And by the way Jim, Hawkins has played most of his life as a KPF.

Since being drafted into AFL he has played 79 games as a KPF and occasional relief ruckman.
About 40 of those games were crap, 25 were so-so and 14 passable or better.

Hampson has played 44 AFL games, almost exclusively as a relief ruckman with occasional stints as a forward pocket (but most time not on the ball spent on the bench). He has spent maybe a total of 10 quarters as a FF.

Yet you want to dismiss him out-of-hand as a possibility to solve our vacancy up forward.

Lucky for Geelong you weren't in charge cause Hawkins and West would have been given the bullet 2 years ago.
Lucky you're not in charge should be more to the point because you are struggling here big time. You don't seem to know the difference between a KP forward (Hawkins) and a ruckman (Hampson) to start with. To start with who is talking giving someone the @rse. I suggested Hampson was a great ruckman but one awful crappy forward. Get that right before you start.

Why are you comparing these two players. Different players, different positions. Hawkins was recruited as a KP forward first and foremost and hence needed to turn into a good one. His job was to play KP forward. He gives relief in the ruck at times, but with West there meant he didn't have to lately. Hampson one the other hand is a ruckman only and was recruited as such. He is not a relief ruckman, he a a genuine first ruckman. You killed your argument right there with the comparison. Hampson been a awful any time he has been forward for the reasons I've made clear previously. Turning ruckman in KP forward rarely works because the KP is a developed skill on it's own. Similarly very few KP forwards would be any good in the ruck for the same reason. Maybe why Hawkins will turn out a good KP forward and Hampson won't but could end up a terrific ruckman. Try another comparison.

We already tried Hampson as a forward and failed....and failed. We tore our hair out earlier in the year and in the end alot wanted him dropped for Setanta (until Kreuzer came back) despite the fact the later couldn't ruck that well. Given supporters generally have a memory span of no more than 3 games it's not surprised that this is forgotten. I'll have Thornton a million times over as a KP forward, until Mitchell develops, because he can do everything there Hampson can't there............play the position, read the play up there, use the body and take contested marks, not to mention some great pack marks, plus kick straight. Think we've seen all that. Why would one change that to put Hampson there.

So, you're not in favour of Hampson as a forward?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:56 pm 
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We should trial Hampson as a forward

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:59 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
We should trial Hampson as a forward

Good idea. Similar player to Hawkins from Geelong. If he could make it, then Hampson could too.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:59 pm 
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Double teaming is fun.....

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moshe25 wrote:
Double teaming is fun.....


Are we getting Hawkins?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:15 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
Double teaming is fun.....


Are we getting Hawkins?

Hawkins and Hammer are gonna double team someone

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:17 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
Megaman wrote:
We should trial Hampson as a forward

Good idea. Similar player to Hawkins from Geelong. If he could make it, then Hampson could too.


:lol: :lol: :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:23 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
camelboy wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
Double teaming is fun.....


Are we getting Hawkins?

Hawkins and Hammer are gonna double team someone
they'll struggle with a howling Gale


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:44 pm 
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Somehow the image of Gale force winds is all wrong... :eek:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:37 pm 
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it may be time for us to get some revenge on the brock mclean trade...

maybe we can throw in our doc who did the check on mclean to sweeten the trade ???? (ie. the same guy who sent jamo back on the field against WC...kill two birds with one stone if you know what I mean ???)

heard there is a 17 year old wunderkind everyone is keen to get ??? let's get him !

by the way...If waite's body is ok...I'm all for keeping him...

BUT if it isn't .... shhhhhhh !


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:45 pm 
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bluechucky wrote:
Given Ratts lumped him with the forwards rather than the ruck at last nights Medal ceremony I guess he will be given a great chance at becoming a key forward next year.



so ratts does the seating arrangements for the B&F!!
jeez he's involved in everything isn't he!


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