Dunno why anyone is reading anything at all into a sportsnewsfirst article.

Hammer FF? How many times has that failed. He's not a forward backside. It's why he's a ruckman and a good one at that.

it's the silly season !


although the pm I got seems on the money

Dawes will take unders at the Pies...if Waite wants to be cute about money I would move him on.
Inconsistent, injury and suspension prone doesnt add up to some mega deal IMHO.

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- Conor Gillen

cant believe I'm saying this as I love waite as a player (the f/s tradition thing) but if the story is remotely true (ie waite wanting 3 yrs+more salary), I'd be happy to move him for something decent in return.

Clubs that would probably have some genuine interest in waite might include
GWS + a whole host of clubs that think they are close to a flag (hawks, cats, freo etc)

Well, you'd think every player will be after a pay rise, given the fact that the pay deal the AFLPA will eventually sign-off on pretty much hands the players a much bigger slice of pie.

So no problems there. The real question is 3 years vs 2. I reckon a player with his injury history is putting the club in a corner asking for 3 years. He'd probably get that elsewhere, but carlton would be best served trying to get him 2 years.

Guy's get to his age and they can think themselves lucky for getting two years.

No doubt the Tigers will come in with a 5 year deal with no conditions, just to give us the sh1ts.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I've no objection to paying more due to cap increase - the figure I would be looking at is more what % of our cap that he takes up (ie relative worth to other players). Agree that the main concern would be the length of the deal - gven his history, 3 yrs is too much risk for us to carry.

Waite is Carlton through and through. They'd have to be giving him the short shrift for any of this to be remotely accurate.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I agree this is probably not a great time for Jarrad to be on shaky ground.

I feel bad that Jarrad gave so much and played his best footy for the club without much taste of finals. Was my favorite player in the pre-Murphy period.

Having said that, in recent times when he's been sorely needed, the consistency hasn't been there. The reality is he's 29 and struggles to stay on the park. If we want to trade him this will be our last chance to get a good return.

Hopefully reports of a bad attitude are not true. He needs to realize that he's not indispensable at his age.

I'm sure it will all get sorted, the looming veteran status will make things easier.

Wonder how his injury recovery is going

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Waitey might soon realise that times have changed at Carlton - you've got to CONSISTENTLY deliver the goods to get the good contracts now

I guess it depends on many things unknown to the rest of us. Who's asking for what and for how long? He's a valuable asset when on the park but not at any price.

Regards Cazzesman

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So for all the improvement we've been making over the last 3-4 years, we could have possibly lost fevola, Kennedy and waite in that time. When it's so clear that kpf's are our achilles heel. Bizarre situation. Surely we can't leave our list without 1 true key forward over 21 yrs of age and rely on two recently injured ruckman to fill IMO the most important positions on the ground.

Interesting and challenging times ahead for those involved in list management.

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EB, we have no KP forwards as it let alone giving them away. It would be long bombs to Eddie Betts then. That would be bye bye to any hope of winning a flag next year or even the year after. Look at the problems this year. I don't think that can be argued. Can't complain about having "short" sides if you gives these blokes away.

Waite's not stupid, he knows we need him and hence, as is good business, pushing that aspect as much as possible. He close to, and he knows it, one of the most important players on our list. To me nearly it after Judd. Injury has been a problem this year but consistency has been ok. And he can play alot of roles. When blokes are out injured for a while we forget how good they are often.

And sometimes when they're out, their abilities and output increase in the eyes of some. Waite is nowhere near 2nd most important on our list.
When he was out, our forward line hardly missed a beat.
Yes he's a good player but we've gone past the stage of players holding us to ransom. Either he accepts what we think he's worth or he can syphon someone else IMO.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Waite seems furious at the B&F.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I'd say he's that not far off it given the roles he can play. One or two more may have stepped up ahead (eg Murphy) but it's few. Waite's still right up there.

Didn't miss a beat? Come on! While it looked great against Essendon*, Melbourne and Freo our forward struggled with the lack of a KP forward when games become "locked up" and more contested like against the Hawks and Eagles. Looks at the difference Jammo made when he went forward against Hawthorn to start with. Looks how badly we missed a KP forward against the Eagles in the SF. That hurt at times and if one thinks we can get away without one in big, heavily contested finals then you are dreaming. So, yes, Waite is a very important player to us, he knows it, the club knows and we know it. Up there with our most important. The long bomb to Eddie Betts will never really be a winner.

Who's your suggestion to fill the role? So see anyone else. Throw out your best forward and you throw away a shot at the flag. Bulldog's learned how hard it is to win flags without KP forwards. Got big Bazza when the window was shutting unfortunately for them.

If you're looking at blokes who have "improved our of sight" while injured Hampson would be that man, at least as a forward. We all know he can ruck well but of a sudden he was our answer up forward despite the fact he can't mark there, kick at goal or play the position, something we have seen a million times but people conveniently forget in times of need.

If he plays hard ball, trade him, get the best we can for him and then draft Fev with a fifth rounder on a performance-based contract with an out clause.

Done.

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