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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:33 pm 
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we need to be based at the 'G - forget the romanticism of playing back at PP



I am referring to having a stand alone side playing in the VFL at Princes Park (to be known as the Northern Blues). :wink:


Sorry mate, I thought you were talking about the seniors

Even with the VFL side, I am a bit torn about the Bullants dying when and if we leave them. I am a bit of a hyprocrit in this instance as I grew up following the old VFA and seen a lot of sides die. My two teams I used to follow are gone Prahran and Brunswick.

Bigger picture it would be best for the club - I'd hope the Bullants (Preston) would somehow survive.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:36 pm 
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3. Prince Park is an amazing asset, we have been there for over 100 years, and we should be thinking big and making a plan to have it back in action, as a serious revenue earner.!



There is no chance of Princes Park being used as an AFL Venue - however in a proposal I raised on TC last year - we should seriously think about completely taking over the Preston/Northern Bullants Football Club over - and rebranding them as the Northern Blues (obviously changing their colours to Navy Blue) and playing all their home games at Princes/Visy Park.

This is firstly to grow our community supporter base in the Northern Suburbs of Melbourne and secondly to leverage the exposure that will grow with the State Based Champions League concept.

Most Melbourne AFL clubs have staked a geographic claim in the Melbourne Suburbs - Hawthorn to the East, St. Kilda to the South East, Footscray to the West, Essendon* to the North West.

Collingwood has abandoned its traditional Northern Suburb heartland to embrace a national and international focus - whilst I firmly agree that our Carlton AFL side should continue along this path a Northern Blues VFL side should target and focus on the Northern Suburbs to ensure a strong foothold for membership growth in the future and to ensure we remain a relevant force when the call goes out as it will in the future for the reduction of AFL clubs.


Agree with all of that, pretty sure Collingwoods VFL side started playing back at Victoria park last year.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:43 pm 
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TheGame wrote:
AGRO wrote:
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3. Prince Park is an amazing asset, we have been there for over 100 years, and we should be thinking big and making a plan to have it back in action, as a serious revenue earner.!



There is no chance of Princes Park being used as an AFL Venue - however in a proposal I raised on TC last year - we should seriously think about completely taking over the Preston/Northern Bullants Football Club over - and rebranding them as the Northern Blues (obviously changing their colours to Navy Blue) and playing all their home games at Princes/Visy Park.

This is firstly to grow our community supporter base in the Northern Suburbs of Melbourne and secondly to leverage the exposure that will grow with the State Based Champions League concept.

Most Melbourne AFL clubs have staked a geographic claim in the Melbourne Suburbs - Hawthorn to the East, St. Kilda to the South East, Footscray to the West, Essendon* to the North West.

Collingwood has abandoned its traditional Northern Suburb heartland to embrace a national and international focus - whilst I firmly agree that our Carlton AFL side should continue along this path a Northern Blues VFL side should target and focus on the Northern Suburbs to ensure a strong foothold for membership growth in the future and to ensure we remain a relevant force when the call goes out as it will in the future for the reduction of AFL clubs.


Agree with all of that, pretty sure Collingwoods VFL side started playing back at Victoria park last year.


Pretty sure you are right.

I believe the Northern Blues out of Princes Park proposal in the VFL is a no-brainer and could be easily funded by diverting some poker machine revenue to it - at least it will be funding 'community based' football.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:39 pm 
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Is there some sort of agreement where the Bullants have to play 4 games at PP this season?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:36 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
I can safely say now that any team that has a home ground at Docklands will not win a Premiership.

2001 Brisbane - Gabba
2002 Brisbane - Gabba
2003 Brisbane - Gabba
2004 Port Adelaide - AAMI
2005 Sydney - SCG
2006 West Coast - Subiaco
2007 Geelong - Skilled
2008 Hawthorn - MCG
2009 Geelong - Skilled
2010 Collingwood - MCG
2011 Geelong - Skilled

It is a no brainer - Carlton to the MCG for the blockbusters and Princes Park for small interstate teams.



I will keep updating this thread. A Club that has Etihad as a Home Ground will not win a Premiership.

I say to the Carlton Board - we must get out of Etihad to the MCG.

Develop Princes Park for Carlton interstate games.

Just look at Geelong. They can lock in 8 easy games at Skilled, manage the list and take all the cash receipts..

It's a no brainer....


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:39 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
I can safely say now that any team that has a home ground at Docklands will not win a Premiership.

2001 Brisbane - Gabba
2002 Brisbane - Gabba
2003 Brisbane - Gabba
2004 Port Adelaide - AAMI
2005 Sydney - SCG
2006 West Coast - Subiaco
2007 Geelong - Skilled
2008 Hawthorn - MCG
2009 Geelong - Skilled
2010 Collingwood - MCG
2011 Geelong - Skilled

It is a no brainer - Carlton to the MCG for the blockbusters and Princes Park for small interstate teams.



I will keep updating this thread. A Club that has Etihad as a Home Ground will not win a Premiership.

I say to the Carlton Board - we must get out of Etihad to the MCG.

Develop Princes Park for Carlton interstate games.

Just look at Geelong. They can lock in 8 easy games at Skilled, manage the list and take all the cash receipts..

It's a no brainer....


And I'll keep 2nd it .... for what it's worth. :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:52 pm 
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Sorry to cut u down but the Dons won the flag in 2000 with Shitihad being their home ground, but I totally agree, I love & we love the G!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:21 pm 
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Sorry to cut u down but the Dons won the flag in 2000 with Shitihad being their home ground, but I totally agree, I love & we love the G!



they also played 9 games at the G in 2000

9 games at Etihad

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:03 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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Sorry to cut u down but the Dons won the flag in 2000 with Shitihad being their home ground, but I totally agree, I love & we love the G!



they also played 9 games at the G in 2000

9 games at Etihad


add to the dissappointment for the 1999 loss to Carlton in the Preliminary Final, nothing was going to stop Essendon*...


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:55 am 
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But Etihad was still their home ground for 2000?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:41 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
But Etihad was still their home ground for 2000?


That doesn't support the argument so must therefore be ignored.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:00 pm 
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What a crock. A good team will win anywhere. If the ball had bounced for Milne in the dying stages of the first Grand Final last year, the argument would be non-existant. I don't think what ground a team plays their home games at really comes into it when it's a roll of the dice which way the ball will bounce, nor whether the player waits for the ball or attacks it.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:10 pm 
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Captain Dan wrote:
What a crock. A good team will win anywhere. If the ball had bounced for Milne in the dying stages of the first Grand Final last year, the argument would be non-existant. I don't think what ground a team plays their home games at really comes into it when it's a roll of the dice which way the ball will bounce, nor whether the player waits for the ball or attacks it.


I'm with you CD.

If we start making Etihad a reason for losing it's just dumb. Sure, the MCG is where you want to live, but to use it as an excuse is simply counterproductive.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:14 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Captain Dan wrote:
What a crock. A good team will win anywhere. If the ball had bounced for Milne in the dying stages of the first Grand Final last year, the argument would be non-existant. I don't think what ground a team plays their home games at really comes into it when it's a roll of the dice which way the ball will bounce, nor whether the player waits for the ball or attacks it.


I'm with you CD.

If we start making Etihad a reason for losing it's just dumb. Sure, the MCG is where you want to live, but to use it as an excuse is simply counterproductive.
The 'Home' Ground is more about the members/supporters and where they want to attend, IMO


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:55 pm 
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Etihad didnt stop St Kilda from making two straight Grand Finals. A BS argument.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:15 pm 
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We should request the AFL don`t schedule blocks of consecutive games at Etihad which occurred this year.
We`ve had our fair share of injuries there.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:42 pm 
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Money buys success in this league now.

And we make more money from playing at the MCG than we do at Etihad.

(And that's just from gate receipts, never mind the added benefit of consolidating our home base for top-tier membership and corporate support packages.)

Therefore, it's likely that we'd be more successful onfield if we played the vast majority of our home games at the MCG.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:50 pm 
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AK43 wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
But Etihad was still their home ground for 2000?


That doesn't support the argument so must therefore be ignored.


I assume that TrueBlue Brad and AK43 were directing their questions to me.

If my assumption is correct, then I am delighted to respond:

Please see my comments in my thread above...

There are no absolute certainties in life and there are exceptions.....

The exception with Essendon* in 2000 was because they were the mature team from the Premiership Baby Bombers of 1993 and were on a mission to correct the 1999 Preliminary loss....

Essendon* also played 3 home MCG finals in addition to the 9 MCG Home Games in 2000 to a total of 12 MCG games....

From my understanding, Essendon* is also proposing to develop at their new airport training facility two (2) grounds, having the dimensions and shape of both MCG and Etihad.

Premierships are hard to achieve and getting top 4 is the best chance to get one.

Achieving Top 4 would be more likely if you could "lock in" 6-8 home games wins like Geelong does...

The cash advantage would also be another bonus...just see the public statements of St Kilda and North Melbourne as to their positions on this issue....

If you consider that Carlton's playing performance and financial performance is better at Etihad than Princes Park, then please advise me....


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:01 pm 
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Fairly certain that Melbourne City Council contributions to the ground upgrade were under the proviso that the ground not be used for AFL matches?

Don't think we're going back to Princes Park any time soon.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:46 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
I can safely say now that any team that has a home ground at Docklands will not win a Premiership.



This was the bit I think is rubbish. You go on to contradict yourself anyway....

Mosquito Fleet wrote:
There are no absolute certainties in life and there are exceptions.....

The exception with Essendon* in 2000 was because they were the mature team from the Premiership Baby Bombers of 1993 and were on a mission to correct the 1999 Preliminary loss....


So a team can win a flag even with Docklands as their home ground. As others have already pointed out the Saints were twice a bee's dick away from a flag, and surely you're not saying they lost because they play out of Docklands. A team based at Docklands will at some point in the future win a flag.



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If you consider that Carlton's playing performance and financial performance is better at Etihad than Princes Park, then please advise me....


Don't change the topic - that wasn't what anyone was arguing about - only your bollocks in the first quote above.


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