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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:33 pm 
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I think a player type we should be trying to draft & develop is the medium fwd capable of kicking freakish, arsey goals.

Walker has been a revelation but is more a lead & mark forward. Eddie & Jeff have pace & smarts but don't kick a lot of freak goals. How good would a Steve Johnson/Le Cras/Akermanis type have been in that last qtr.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:35 pm 
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We're right on the cusp of ultimate success with this team, but to take another step forward we need to improve in a few areas:

- Goalkicking: Sick to death of not putting teams away when we have forward line dominance. Missing easy shots for goal HAS cost us games this year, so this needs to be addressed
- Key forward: Goes without saying. We need a target to kick to. Yes, we have a fast, mobile group of smalls, but when things are going bad we bomb the ball on their heads. We need at least one FF like WC have. We have players who can 'potentially' fulfil this role...IF...and this is always the problem. There's no guarantee with any of them. There are doubts with all our prospects fitness-wise too, and it's related to the next point.
- Fitness & Management: All teams suffer injuries, but we always seem to suffer the same types of injuries to crucial tall players, always leaving us unbalanced and vulnerable to teams like WC. Seeing someone like Jamo or Waite hobble off is bad enough, but then to hear that they were sore beforehand but sent out anyway makes it even worse. We need to do a thorough review of our fitness and injury management, particularly in strengthening our big guys but also in our decision-making on who's in or out.
- In-and-under midfielder: Every year we've tried to fill this void, specifically for someone to give Judd much-needed assistance and support. First Hadley, then McLean, and now Curnow (who hasn't been the same since his shoulder injury), all showed promise at first but dropped off. Yes, we gave up too much for Brock and Ball would've been better, but that ship has passed. We need someone to step up to the plate here, Ellard and Robbo the most obvious candidates.
- Membership: Anything less than 50,000 would be unacceptable

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All pretty much spot on. I think our fitness is good, its more the management of unfit/injured players that needs to be addressed.

I would also add:

- Aggro: We still sometimes get beaten up and bullied too easily. We are a "small" side in general, but this should not matter.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:39 pm 
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How good would it have been to have Josh Kennedy last night


Not the one that played last night the one tha played on friday night

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:47 pm 
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I think we have the playing list to challenge for the flag next year, just need a bit more luck with injuries especially regarding our key position players.

Nothing wrong with a forwardline consisting of Waite and Kreuzer as the key talls - just need them fit and on the park. Special K will be much better next year.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:51 pm 
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What will be the ages of our current playing list going into the 2012 season? Anyone done the research?


lazy. take 10 minutes and let us know :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:57 pm 
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I think we have the playing list to challenge for the flag next year, just need a bit more luck with injuries especially regarding our key position players.

Nothing wrong with a forwardline consisting of Waite and Kreuzer as the key talls - just need them fit and on the park. Special K will be much better next year.


We'll see about Kreuzer. No evidence that he can play permanent KPF.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:00 pm 
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Obviously need a KPF. However, I am not sure whether Jarrad Waite will be the answer as I think injuries have caught up with him. The real bonus would be if someone like Mitchell could make an early impact and surprise. If we are looking at trading for this position, then who would be available on the open market. I can't think of anyone.

The other area of improvement will be due to maturity and belief. Our performances over the last two weeks have been good. Considering, we had some key players out, I have been impressed with our ability to compete and display a game plan that stands up in September.

This may sound sacrilege but the Collingwood model is the one we should aspire to as its success is based on team discipline and game structure. There ability to cover injuries has been impressive. On paper, I don't believe they have as much talent as we do.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:04 pm 
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A new Forwards coach.

Seriously we are the worst team in the league at set shots. It has cost us games!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:06 pm 
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marciblue wrote:
AFAIC, we need to find an additional mid to round off the on-ball group. And its not about quantity because we have sufficient numbers to provide depth with our on-ballers, it is about discovering another "quality" mid. I dont think necessarily must be in-and-under but just another quality midfielder to add to the A-team.


This is an interesting point.

I believe a 'real' issue we have is having 2 small forwards that cant go through the midfield. I like both Betts and Garlett as players but it does make us a bit predictable BUT more to the point it lessens our rotations through the midfield.

Garlett I think can eventually do that. Betts should but doesnt. Walker makes a difference with his bursts on the ball.

Look at Geelong and Collingwood. Geelong have Stokes, Menzel, Johnson etc and Collingwood have Blair, Didak, Sidebottom etc that kick goals but also excel on the ball.

As good as Betts is, could having Robinson, Gibbs, Judd, Murphy, Ellard, Simpson all pushing through that spot do as much damage? If not more!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:25 pm 
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But walker playing as a marking forward can
play And does go on ball. This covers a little for betts not being able to.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:33 pm 
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consistency - ruthless non stop aggressive take no prisoners football for the whole game

and goal kicking

and medical staff

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:41 pm 
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Is Chris Dawes out of Contract? Wouldn't he be a nice addition to our fowardline!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:01 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I think a player type we should be trying to draft & develop is the medium fwd capable of kicking freakish, arsey goals.

Walker has been a revelation but is more a lead & mark forward. Eddie & Jeff have pace & smarts but don't kick a lot of freak goals. How good would a Steve Johnson/Le Cras/Akermanis type have been in that last qtr.

We need a young Houlihan who was unlucky to be at Carlton in it's worst ever period. This type of player would be the icing on the cake like Andrew Krakouer is for Collingwood. I hope that Kerr can become this player, but he really needs to get fitter and get to more contests.

I hope Collins can play to our level of interest in him. Collins is a better kick and user than we saw against Essendon*. He had the smarts to get clear and be in the right spot to receive, but just didn't finish like he's capable of doing. A Max Rooke or Ryan O'Keefe would be a better get.

If our O'Keeffe survives and has a killer pre-season, I wouldn't be against him playing on a flank and having him push up to the middle. We lack a player with O'Keeffe's bulk, hardness and left peg. Rhys puts his head over it like Robinson, but doesn't blaze away like Mitch. Hurn is a similar size and player who lacks the endurance to play on the ball.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:04 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I think a player type we should be trying to draft & develop is the medium fwd capable of kicking freakish, arsey goals.

Walker has been a revelation but is more a lead & mark forward. Eddie & Jeff have pace & smarts but don't kick a lot of freak goals. How good would a Steve Johnson/Le Cras/Akermanis type have been in that last qtr.


Ahmed Saad?

My only question would be is he just another eddie and jeff type, fwd pocket

Know what you mean though, someone who is more capable of kicking from 50 out more often. I reckon Gibbs is capable of being that 2 or 3 gls a game type hfflanker. And despite all the GWS talk I reckon JR can get back to his best (and will wearing navy blue) and take back the role Gibbs played at half back this year, allowing us to move the gipper up front.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:27 pm 
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I mentioned in the Waite thread that our focus needs to go on developing a forward structure that involves Casboult or Mitchell, rather than Waite. How many times (especially this time of year) are we left to say "we'll have Waite back next year"? We can't rely on him anymore, because every year we do and we end up paying the price. He's a favourite son and I don't want to seem like I'm writing him off, but I'm sick of being disappointed with him.

The powers that be should focus their energies on Levi and Luke, and fast-tracking them to be AFL-ready regardless of cost. Spare no expense, and give them special attention. They need to be made aware that there is an empty space at FF waiting for them if they're willing to do the extra work and sacrifice, and that if they're not willing they should in diplomatic terms GAGF. Hopefully though they won't need pushing, especially if they read the papers. I would hope that at least one of them reads all this talk of us needing a key forward to win a flag, walks up to Ratts and says "I want this. Just tell me what to do"

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:55 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
A new Forwards coach.

Seriously we are the worst team in the league at set shots. It has cost us games!

Agree and not just in regards our goal kicking but our fwd 50 entry efficiency is nowhere near good enough given the about of ball we win and the amount of inside 50's per game we have. This has been a major weakness for us this year whilst others areas have improved.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:14 pm 
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unfortunately we cant rely on Waite as the solution.

At best he has 3 seasons in him at 65% availability (given his history with injury).....approx another 44 games from JW isnt the answer we need


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:59 pm 
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Kreuzer will be alot better in 2012 after a full pre season and with Warnock/Hampson we should have the premier ruck combo in the AFL.

Last roll of the dice for Brock Mclean. His clearance work at VFL level has been outstanding and with a full pre season he could be the man to play the Boyd/Mitchell/Ball role in the midfield and offer a chop out to Judd/Murphy/Gibbs

Bryce Gibbs to further develop and become the James Hird type matchwinner next season. 3 A grade midfielders in Judd, Murphy and Gibbs is mouth watering stuff.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:38 pm 
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Is Chris Dawes out of Contract? Wouldn't he be a nice addition to our fowardline!

^ That's exactly what we need.

We need a 6'3 big bodied midfielder (Josh K - Swans or Jobe type). We will send Murphy to an early retirement if we have to rely on him to always get in and extract the ball. Juddy's body is already getting banged up, and fear that he has probably 1 or 2 good years left (if we're lucky) before we transition him to the forward line on a more regular basis ala G Williams late in his career.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:53 pm 
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Wangers wrote:
Smurph wrote:
Is Chris Dawes out of Contract? Wouldn't he be a nice addition to our fowardline!

^ That's exactly what we need.

We need a 6'3 big bodied midfielder (Josh K - Swans or Jobe type). We will send Murphy to an early retirement if we have to rely on him to always get in and extract the ball. Juddy's body is already getting banged up, and fear that he has probably 1 or 2 good years left (if we're lucky) before we transition him to the forward line on a more regular basis ala G Williams late in his career.


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