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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:55 pm 
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Stuff Malthouse. Just get Jimmae.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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Roos has a big spread on Ratts in that filthy News Limited little rag tomorrow

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:05 pm 
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I dont think Malthouse is the right fit myself and not at all interested in Eade

The club set the bench mark not the fans not the press and not the players

They said it "we need to win a final" thats their KPI

So it stands to reason that if you dont meet it heads would roll

People dont like it when you set a goal and then when you dont acheive it you adjust down particulary when the goal wasnt set high

Regardless of what Sticks said the Sheehan at Raheen if they lose this week emotion and anger will take over and all hell will break loose

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:21 pm 
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Stuff Malthouse. Just get Jimmae.

I'd definitely be cheaper.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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If you man the loose man up they'll put another down there and another and another and another. The opposition forward line will be open and have a picnic.

We need players who lead away from each other to create more one on one contests but also a tall get out option in the square.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:02 am 
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Effes wrote:
If you man the loose man up they'll put another down there and another and another and another. The opposition forward line will be open and have a picnic.

We need players who lead away from each other to create more one on one contests but also a tall get out option in the square.


Spot on. Have a look at the second half against St Kilda and how they burnt us on the transition. Suggesting we keep manning up their loose is Under 10s stuff.
Have a look at scoring statistics and see how many goals are scored from turnovers and stoppages. It's simply because you are taking the ball forward when the opposition are in an offensive or neutral mindset. They haven't had the opportunity to push numbers back. That's the key. Not being reactive panic merchants. Stick to what's made us a strong contender. Our stoppages success and the defensive pressure of our forwards.
Why would we choose to play the game on the oppositions terms?

On Gibson, he wasn't a loose man at all. He played on Walker but didn't pay him any respect. Walker had the opportunity to make him pay for it but wasn't able to. Ratten made the right move and placed Jamison in the forward line. Jamos hard work and presenting at the ball made Gibson accountable.

We have won 16 games this year by playing the game on our terms. If we can free up Judd a bit more at the stoppages and get our forwards back into a bit of form, we'll do some damage.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:26 am 
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IMO we have to look more at stopping being scored on the counter so easy when teams employ the flood and run tactics we hate. Teams score too easy.
We need to come up with tactics to stop that from happening while still allowing us to press as that is where we score our goals. Forcing turnovers and goals from stoppages.

I thought in the first half our tactics in regards to this were very good last saturday. I had a huge smile on my face at half time thinking our coaches have come up with a counter plan that works.
They only scored 4 goals in the first half and most of them were scratchy and we scored 5 and missed plenty of easy chances.
Unfortunately after half time it was hard to know if the tactics still worked. We had lost big K, we had lost our will to fight for no gain and the running had all but gone from our game often allowing contests to be 4 on 1 their favour. All that combined with some smart tactics from Lyon left any tactics that worked in the first half no chance of working in the second.

Fingers crossed the first half of last Saturdays game is the real indicator of where we are at.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:46 am 
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I'm just watching the replay now and there are a few structural changes that I don't quite understand/like.

The move of Walker to a tagging/defensive role while Gibbs goes forward. I like Gibbs up forward don't get me wrong, but it seems like our best games are when Walker is up forward and Gibbs is the man tasked with 'stopping' someone.

The last few games (all losing games) it seems we have moved Walker out of the forward line, and I just don't understand why! The man is 7th in the Coleman and has kicked 50 goals this season I don't like seeing him in the midfield or defense.

As for Gibbs sure if there is no person of interest for him to tag or a stopping role then sure play him forward but I think in the last few rounds he was been underused. He has been a savior in the forward line at key times, but I feel if he was doing a role else where then the flow into the forward line would be much better.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:04 am 
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jimmae wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Stuff Malthouse. Just get Jimmae.

I'd definitely be cheaper.


I can definitely see Jimmae in the Bomber Thompson role of mentoring Ratts. A cool and wise head giving off the benefit of years of top level experience.

Go Jim !!

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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club29 wrote:
IMO we have to look more at stopping being scored on the counter so easy when teams employ the flood and run tactics we hate. Teams score too easy.
We need to come up with tactics to stop that from happening while still allowing us to press as that is where we score our goals. Forcing turnovers and goals from stoppages.

I thought in the first half our tactics in regards to this were very good last saturday. I had a huge smile on my face at half time thinking our coaches have come up with a counter plan that works.
They only scored 4 goals in the first half and most of them were scratchy and we scored 5 and missed plenty of easy chances.
Unfortunately after half time it was hard to know if the tactics still worked. We had lost big K, we had lost our will to fight for no gain and the running had all but gone from our game often allowing contests to be 4 on 1 their favour. All that combined with some smart tactics from Lyon left any tactics that worked in the first half no chance of working in the second.

Fingers crossed the first half of last Saturdays game is the real indicator of where we are at.

I thought our tactics remand the same while there were some personnel shuffles to try and up the tempo of the way the ball was transitioning from defence to midfield and into 50. The Walker move mentioned here was part of that.

What happened in the second half is the run dried up. We gave up, for what reasons I can't quite tell you. Maybe our legs weren't able to push through it because of the week off (not a true lack of fitness, just that second wind that comes from pushing yourself through sheer force of will week in week out on a footy field), maybe it was something else entirely, say an instruction. The tactics were the same, and the previously inefficient f50 entries became almost non-existent. We drifted further back into midfield without pushing our defensive line back, and we tried to find the perfect target instead of making something happen.

We went from playing on our terms but poorly, to playing on their terms because we weren't doing the basics. It was very frustrating to watch, as though each player was looking to the next to make something happen. That's why Simmo's numbers were so huge despite his low game time, he was doing a lot more running than usual because that's how he plays his football: he tries to seize any bit of space offered.

We need more blokes with that mentality, and the nous on how to execute it.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:25 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
club29 wrote:
IMO we have to look more at stopping being scored on the counter so easy when teams employ the flood and run tactics we hate. Teams score too easy.
We need to come up with tactics to stop that from happening while still allowing us to press as that is where we score our goals. Forcing turnovers and goals from stoppages.

I thought in the first half our tactics in regards to this were very good last saturday. I had a huge smile on my face at half time thinking our coaches have come up with a counter plan that works.
They only scored 4 goals in the first half and most of them were scratchy and we scored 5 and missed plenty of easy chances.
Unfortunately after half time it was hard to know if the tactics still worked. We had lost big K, we had lost our will to fight for no gain and the running had all but gone from our game often allowing contests to be 4 on 1 their favour. All that combined with some smart tactics from Lyon left any tactics that worked in the first half no chance of working in the second.

Fingers crossed the first half of last Saturdays game is the real indicator of where we are at.

I thought our tactics remand the same while there were some personnel shuffles to try and up the tempo of the way the ball was transitioning from defence to midfield and into 50. The Walker move mentioned here was part of that.

What happened in the second half is the run dried up. We gave up, for what reasons I can't quite tell you. Maybe our legs weren't able to push through it because of the week off (not a true lack of fitness, just that second wind that comes from pushing yourself through sheer force of will week in week out on a footy field), maybe it was something else entirely, say an instruction. The tactics were the same, and the previously inefficient f50 entries became almost non-existent. We drifted further back into midfield without pushing our defensive line back, and we tried to find the perfect target instead of making something happen.

We went from playing on our terms but poorly, to playing on their terms because we weren't doing the basics. It was very frustrating to watch, as though each player was looking to the next to make something happen. That's why Simmo's numbers were so huge despite his low game time, he was doing a lot more running than usual because that's how he plays his football: he tries to seize any bit of space offered.

We need more blokes with that mentality, and the nous on how to execute it.


The aints had more to play for than we did. And we are not that much better than they are that we can play poorly and still win. With the right mind set of blokes like Betts and Garlett (fingers crossed) we will smash the bummers.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:06 pm 
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Rattan for coach of Melbourne Posted at 6:53 AM Today:

Win or lose against the dons makes no difference. Ratten has done a far better job then Paigen or Britton ever did. Blues sign him up quick smart!


There you have it !!
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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:57 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Stuff Malthouse. Just get Jimmae.

I'd definitely be cheaper.



There's a very good reason for that Jim.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:20 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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Yep I thought SB did a good job of demolishing his own arguement.



why is that we have won one more game than we did in 2009 - thats not much of an improvement in my eyes - 2010 we went backwards


I have always used the percentage as a measure of the season rather than win/loss as I think it also shows how well you have played and more importantly how well you have defended.

Our percentage in 2009 was 110.46 and this year 130.88, therefore we have gained over 20% since 2009 which shows a great improvement in defence and that when we lose we aren't getting flogged.

So on that basis we are in a winning position in FAR more of our games this year than we were in the last decade and we fell short in some of our games that next year if we keep improving at this rate we will turn them into wins.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:43 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
I have always used the percentage as a measure of the season rather than win/loss as I think it also shows how well you have played and more importantly how well you have defended.

Our percentage in 2009 was 110.46 and this year 130.88, therefore we have gained over 20% since 2009 which shows a great improvement in defence and that when we lose we aren't getting flogged.


Excellent points. I agree.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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Steve_C7 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
Yep I thought SB did a good job of demolishing his own arguement.



why is that we have won one more game than we did in 2009 - thats not much of an improvement in my eyes - 2010 we went backwards


I have always used the percentage as a measure of the season rather than win/loss as I think it also shows how well you have played and more importantly how well you have defended.

Our percentage in 2009 was 110.46 and this year 130.88, therefore we have gained over 20% since 2009 which shows a great improvement in defence and that when we lose we aren't getting flogged.

So on that basis we are in a winning position in FAR more of our games this year than we were in the last decade and we fell short in some of our games that next year if we keep improving at this rate we will turn them into wins.



Once again I will go back to the Gold coast game - percentage taking that game out 124.6

an improvement on 2009 yes but not as big as it looks on the surface

Ratts needs to win
Carlton needs to win

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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You can't take out our percentage against the suns dude.

Everyone else played them, hense the increased percentage across the board.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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Every year there is a wooden spoon team that everyone gets to play once, and twice if you're lucky, and if you're any good you'll flog them. As I pointed out earlier we actually only got 1 game against each of the 4 bottom sides this year so surely that actually harmed our percentage, compared to say the Hawks who got GC and Port twice. You can't just ignore it because we flogged them and therefore it doesn't support your argument.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Ratts needs to win
Carlton needs to win


Apologies Sydney if you've already stated this - it's a long thread - but let's say we get flogged on Sunday*.
Presumably that will firm your opinion that Ratts should go?
If so, who would you replace him with, and who else would go from the support team? All the assistants? Some?

Just curious.

* Aint gonna happen btw - we're goin' tear 'em a new one


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This smells like the "Kreuz shoulda went to GWS" thread

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