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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:45 am 
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Mike Fitzpatrick

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Out: Kreuzer, Davies
In: Thornton, Carrots

Terrible run up to finals for us really. Hard to beleive the toll taken on our talls. Bummers licking their lips :cry:

Simply cannot play injured/unfit players i.e. Jamo, Waite, Kreuzer, Hammer. Judd is also carrying an injury and shouldn't play, but that'll never happen.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:54 am 
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Waite is a massive risk even if they are sure he is fit (which they are not), If he is sub, what if we get an early injury.
I think one risk is enough and that is Jammo. He will be way underdone. One radical idea might be to have Waite as sub and if Big K is out bring in Hammer. Have Warnock do most of the ruck work (20 min 1st and 2 qtr and first 15 mins of third) then sub him for Waite and use Hammer as the ruck man with a few short breaks from Setanta. However playing Waite seems a desperation move.

IF Big K is not fit, don't play him and have to play Hammer (wouldn't you love Sammy J on the list right now).

Give Eddie and Jeffy a rocket. They need to get into it, if they can't get the ball, lock it in. Use Setanta as a full forward and try to give him space, he works best that way. Come up with some strategy to free Judd. He needs to fire or we are in trouble.

If TBird is fit does he come in? Where does he play if Jammo is there as well?
Do we give in to adversity or rise above it? THis will tell us a lot about our coach and our team.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:57 pm 
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Travis Colyer = Watch Essendon*'s last quarter against Port Adelaide, this bloke is the difference between an embarassing loss and a sneaky win. I reckon they'd have to keep him as the sub, for the run he provides, and he's really that sort of Essendon* player that's carved us up over the years. As such, do we take this into consideration when naming our sub? Given that it's largely 50/50 between Tuohy and Russell for a spot, I think it might. Tuohy as the sub seems the logical like for like here.

David Zaharakis = Forget Watson. This bloke (along with Jetta) to some extent is the barometer of Essendon*. His worst games for the year have been when he's forced to be accountable for a playmaker off half back, prepared to run off him and carry. Mattner, Broughton and.....Neville Jetta have all done a job on him this year to good effect. Do you go Yarran or Scotland in this regard? Reckon Scotland plays better when given room to move, whereas Yarran still has question marks about his ability to impose himself on a contest. Give Yazz the challenge here.

Jobe Watson - Don't reckon he's fully fit yet, and seems still hampered by the hamstring injuries. Not the same player from the start of the year. Regardless, missed the flogging in rd 17, and averages in all measurements are above average when it comes to playing against us. We seem loathe to run Carrazzo on him. Ratts has always sent him to Stanton. In recent times, Curnow had his colours lowered, Hadley had mixed results the year before, and before that, we had some good success running Simmo head to head with him. Reckon Curnow or Ellard, barring injury, are as likely as Hadley to be selected this week. Therefore, Simmo head to head again makes sense. He's in ripper form, Essendon*'s midfield rotations are heavily cruelled by injuries. Don't think Jobe can keep up with Simmo around the ground.

Hille/Bellchambers/Ryder - Gut feeling is that they'll play the three rucks. Too many question marks on Warnock's form and Kreuzer's (and Hampson) fitness, too many teams having had success against us by stacking the forward line for them not to. I also think Ryder looks slightly hampered by a shoulder injury also. A good Hampson game today, and I think the change is obvious.

Leroy Jetta - Is he that important a player to Essendon* to keep AJ in? Struggling to justify keeping him in otherwise.

Hard to believe that we could easily make 4-5 changes this week, and it would be the 3rd most out of the 8 sides competing in a final.

In - Jamison, Carrazzo, Hampson, Waite (Thornton if not fit)
Out - Russell, Davies, Warnock, Joseph

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:05 pm 
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Thought Davies was excellent last night. Perhaps he could be considered as a sub to go with Colyer.

It could be wet and windy next Sunday. Play 3 rucks at your peril.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:10 pm 
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Don't reckon it's their ideal 22, but they can't beat us in the midfield. Lonergan, Dempsey, Howlett, Prismall, etc leaves them with SFA rotations against one of the best midfields in the game.

Most will point to our forward line as being the weakness. To them, its the forward line, where it's main 3 kicked 16 between them last time they met. I reckon they'd fancy their chances in the ruck against us.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:41 pm 
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Very tough week for the selectors, don't envy them the task of picking from a group of talls that are either down on form or fitness (or a combination of the two).

FWIW, my view is that we need to limit the disruption to the team and should be very cautious about bringing players back in that haven't played AFL of late - virtually every player that has come back this year has been a step slower than you'd like. For this reason, all of Jamo, Waite and Hampson are big risks. I'd add Lucas and Russell onto that list as well - Lucas in particular dropped off significantly in the 2nd half (not the only one, obviously).

Having said that, going in with players that are carrying injuries is just as risky - so Kreuzer, O'Hailpin (purely on the amount of taping on his leg last night), Thornton aren't necessarily better options. In the smaller men department, I imagine Carrots was just rested and will be OK.

WHO PLAYS?

Jamo vs Waite: Might seem strange to compare these two but, by virtue of the their similarities in terms of importance to the team (v high) but fitness levels (v low), I think we can pick one and only one. Jamo plays. A risk but he's good enough - even if we're forced to swing him out of the goalsquare as he showed he can do vs the Hawks. For Waite, it's a case of see you in 2012 - a massive loss but can't risk a guy who hasn't played in 2 months at any level.

Kreuzer vs Hampson - wait and see what Hampson looks like and what the specialist says re Kreuzer. My inclination is towards Hampson - he's athletic enough to manage fitness-wise. Generally, I think Kreuzer has been struggling. That said, if the ball is hitting Hammer on the head this afternoon and the scans are clear for Kreuzer then I think we stay with the status quo.

O'Hailpin vs Thornton - this has to be a choice between these two. I prefer Thornton back and Setanta elsewhere. Given I think our backline is less vulnerable, I'd play Setanta - he'll do some stupid things but has more potential to kick a couple.

Carrazzo will come back in because he's of vital importance to our midfield structure. I don't think anyone else gets a look in because, as we saw last night, even four changes can be very unsettling.

WHO MISSES?
Someone has to make way for Jamo and Carrazzo - the nominees are: JR, Lucas, Davies, Tuohy (some on here will nominate Joseph but he plays an important role and finally seems to be working himself into positions to play positively where possible)

My leaning is towards leaving Davies and Lucas out. Davies misses because he is still a bit green and, even in a game like last night's (which was definitely his best so far), his lack of poise was still evident - the failure to nail that goal in the 3rd. Similar reasons with Lucas, except the question marks for me are over toughness and stamina. Both will probably be a part of our finals campaign in 2012, but not this year.

In contrast to the two youngsters, JR has a bigger (too big? :grin: ) body and looked comfortable on return - I think he has to play. Tuohy - I feel less strongly about but I see his ball use and pace as pretty similar to Lucas - his current fitness levels mean he gets the gig ahead of #9.

IN SUM:
Ins: Hampson, Carrazzo, Jamison
Outs: Kreuzer, Davies, Lucas

And I start holding my breath until next Sunday.... NOW.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:05 pm 
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#triplemfooty Triple M Footy
Doc Larkins has just told the Sunday Rub that @Carlton_FC's Waite and Jamison are set to miss the final against Essendon* on Sunday


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:06 pm 
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Mmmm, Doc Larkins is not always right.

Assuming Hammer gets through today put him in for Kreuzer.

A chance to prove himself in a final might be just what he needs a la Andrew Walker last year.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:12 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
If Kreuzer is out, we have to bring in Hammer.
Need Setanta permanently in the forwardline, no centre ruck duties.


Definitely :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:23 pm 
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Out: Kruezer Davies Russell
In: Hampson Carrazzo Jamison


B: Joseph Jamison Laidler
HB: Touhy Henderson Duigan
Yarran

C: Simpson Carrazzo Scotland
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy

HF: Gibbs Setanta Walker
F: Betts Hampson

Int: Robinson Armfield Lucas (Garlett)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:41 pm 
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We entered last years elimination final with loss loss
and entered 2009 with a loss
this season is really starting to mirror last year fading badly as the season wears on

Is there a fitness issue or is it mental

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:11 pm 
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Going to be a LONG week. I'm really nervous and have butterflies already!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:42 pm 
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why is everyone assuming kruezer wont play?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:47 pm 
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Many alluding to Judd carrying an injury. If thats the case, surely he would have missed last night?

Kruze has struggled for weeks IMO, his absence might be overrated.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:56 pm 
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agree ....why are people saying judds carrying an injury?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:59 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Many alluding to Judd carrying an injury. If thats the case, surely he would have missed last night?

Kruze has struggled for weeks IMO, his absence might be overrated.


He does provide a bit of structure though, his efforts against Essendon* last time around were really important.

However, I say we only play him if he's 100% fit, because as you say it's not like his form was so great to begin with.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:04 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Many alluding to Judd carrying an injury. If thats the case, surely he would have missed last night


They say Judd has a foot injury. Probably the same one he has at the start of the season. Bruised heel or plantar Fasciitis.
If thats the case a rest may help but not too much and probably not enough when balanced out with match fitness and touch.

Tough injury to shake and the amount of games played at Etihad in the last half of the season wouldnt help.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:06 pm 
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doofdoof wrote:
agree ....why are people saying judds carrying an injury?



Coz he didn't dominate and we lost.

No Jammo, Kruez or Waite in the finals? Well 2011 was an interesting while it lasted.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:17 pm 
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bring in casboult! :)


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:35 pm 
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Neither Hammer nor Waite played for the Bullants.

Casboult kicked 5, however, in what might have been his best game yet for the Ants.
They say Jamo was a bit sore and they took zero risks in resting him.

In: Jamo, Carrots, Casboult
Out: Davies, Lucas, Kreuzer

Lucas was good, but tired badly. Davies was okay too, but someone has to go. Thornton is the conservative choice, but I like the idea of Casboult having a half or so and bringing on Garlett late. Warnock gets help from both Levi and Irishman 1.

Duigan - Jamison - Laidler
Yarran - Henderson - Touhy
Simpson - Judd - Scotland
Carazzo - O'hAilpin - Armfield
Betts - Walker - Casboult
Warnock - Murphy - Robinson

Joseph - Russell - Gibbs
Sub: Garlett


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