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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:34 pm 
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Your amazement that Bower running in the dark (as if that is fact) caused his injury is a little strange also.



Every comment from Jim is a fact.................................................in his mind.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:51 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
I know I'm being harsh with labelling it stupidity, but there are some mystifying decisions being made.

Bringing in guys like Joseph & Davies were about adding yet more defensive pressure and backing their game to grow with more space and better targets to kick to. There are plenty of other names who could have come in under that theory, but we've ignored them over this second half of the year and left ourselves short-handed up forward regularly because of it.

I'm happy to admit they've been impressive and have definitely improved on what they showed last season, but against a finals quality unit in Hawthorn they looked very average. Would others have faired better? We don't really know, there are several players who have been ready to make an appearance that simply haven't, and there are others who have been shafted in the name of development or a marginal performance gain that could evaporate in the space of a couple of games.

And so began the tales of Bower, Setanta & Lucas' 2011.


Never let the facts get in the way of a good story Jim.

Davies and AJ came back in when the likes of Laidler, JR, Curnow, Duigan, Carrots etc were injured/out of form. Both Davies and AJ were showing some form at the time and deserved a shot. Both run hard and straight and lay tackles and physical pressure. Both have good speed.

Back when they came in the likes of Santy, Bower and Lucas were struggling with form and/or injury so weren't considered. AJ and Davies have both been solid/serviceable over the past few games playing their roles.

We have been short handed up forward over the past 5 weeks because of the injuries to Bower, Waite, Hammer, White and Jamo. Obviously T-Bird has been a stop gap and Special K is struggling for real touch at the moment. The games we have lost over the past 7 weeks have been more about commitment and intensity for 1/2 a game at a time.

Who are these mysterious 'several players' that have been waiting to make an appearance who haven't? Watson? Austin? Kerr? Twomey? Houlihan?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:14 am 
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I think Joseph has earned his spot in the finals. Davies has more development but has improved markedly and if Duigan went down he's a suitable replacement.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:59 am 
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Can't complain about Aaron Joseph. Made to earn his spot this year via the Ants and then has played his best two games for the club over the past two weeks.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:41 pm 
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..in def, Hendo has won very few genuine one on one contests.. ....he's had a few kicked on him every game.. ..he's had a few very good pieces of play taking the game on.. ..he could be even more dangerous taking the game on from CHF though.. ..he's ok-good down back, but last year he was better up fwd, and now fitter and confident would be better fwd this year as well.. ..even if his opponent wasn't the best in that brissie game, he was leading strongly and marking cleanly with his hands out front.. ..good signs, would have gone on from there vs being shipped down back and having to re-adjust..


He did play the Swans game at CHF and had little impact and then he played the first half of the WC game and had little impact before revealing himself somewhat a defender when moved onto kennedy. From there he played on a number of leagues best forwards and did well. Remembering Jamo was getting some kicked on him each week also.

Defense first.


..he was easing back in, i'd argue that CHF is a harder position than CHB, and he's actually playing more FB in some games.. ..but i still think he's played better last season up fwd vs this season down back..

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:55 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..we have a bonafide target KPP in Hendo, but as per usual da blues like to shift 'em down back at the slightest concern [see whits, waite,hendo]..


Jamo being injured has been a blessing in disguise, Hendo playing is playing great at the moment in the backline.

correct me if l am wrong, but l think Buddy only kicked 3 goals on Hendo. One was when Buddy got away and run in to a empty 50m, the other goal was on a sharp angel from 50m and the 3rd was when thornton tripped and he ran into goal.

You would be absolutely nuts to play Jamo on Buddy in his first game back from a serious knee injury when you got a guy that can do a fairly capable job at Full back.

Hendo/Jamo as FB or CHB would be a pretty good combo.

Hendo at this stage of his career struggles playing in the forward line. He doesn't know how to lead or present as a KPP forward. Against WCE he tried to just stand their and take contested marks and had zero value in that game, until he was switched on to JK. If Jamo wasn't injured that game, Hendo would of spent a bit of time in the Ants, but has proved to be a handy option up back. He should learn how to play as a key forward after playing on the best forwards in the league aswell.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:34 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Can't complain about Aaron Joseph. Made to earn his spot this year via the Ants and then has played his best two games for the club over the past two weeks.

Agree. AJs been great and at times he's lead the way with intensity and presence. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:46 pm 
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From Sam Edmund at The Age. Someone has been reading this thread me thinks. :wink:


CARLTON
INJURED:
Jarrad Waite (hip) test
Andrew Collins (shoulder) season
Pat McCarthy (groin) season
Andrew McInnes (shoulder) season
Luke Mitchell (shoulder) season

ON THE BLOCK: Can’t knock Robbie Warnock’s tap work, but does he get shoved off the ball and go missing in the aerial contests too easily against the better sides? Shaun Hampson could squeeze him out. Marcus Davies and Aaron Joseph are under pressure and David Ellard looks tired.

ON THE CUSP: Setanta O’hAilpin has been banging the door down in the twos for weeks and the fit-again Hampson was impressive in his VFL comeback. Kane Lucas, Ed Curnow and Jordan Russell have also been pushing their claims. Will Jarrad Waite be fit?

SAM EDMUND’S FORECAST: Setanta would very stiff to miss out again and if the Saints game doesn’t come too soon for Waite, consider him a lock.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:16 pm 
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That'd be the Hun, Caz.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:17 pm 
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Our structure requires a tall marking forward who can physically impose himself. Setanta doesn't fit the bill. He's a leading forward who is OK off the deck.
We need a long get out option. Hampson has more potential to fit the bill.
Carlos is a 6'6 Eddie Betts.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:31 pm 
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singindablues wrote:
That'd be the Hun, Caz.


:oops: what he said

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:02 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Our structure requires a tall marking forward who can physically impose himself. Setanta doesn't fit the bill. He's a leading forward who is OK off the deck.
We need a long get out option. Hampson has more potential to fit the bill.
Carlos is a 6'6 Eddie Betts.


well said bv.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:54 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Our structure requires a tall marking forward who can physically impose himself. Setanta doesn't fit the bill. He's a leading forward who is OK off the deck.
We need a long get out option. Hampson has more potential to fit the bill.
Carlos is a 6'6 Eddie Betts.

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Fingers crossed Hampson can get back to his pre-injury form in the next couple of weeks.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:01 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Our structure requires a tall marking forward who can physically impose himself. Setanta doesn't fit the bill. He's a leading forward who is OK off the deck.
We need a long get out option. Hampson has more potential to fit the bill.
Carlos is a 6'6 Eddie Betts.


Hampson is not a tall marking forward at this stage.

I would rather a bloke who can provide a spalding type contest most of the time who can then compete on the ground than a bloke who takes one contested mark for the game is innefective in others and has no ground game for the spalding contests.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_p ... 1=S&fid2=S

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:11 pm 
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We've got players who can give a contest when the ball hits the ground. It's pointless having someone who's 6'6 competing with them.
You're right about Hampson. He's not a tall marking forward yet but he has more potential to become one than Setanta. Plus he's rapidly improving as ruckman. Carlos is sub standard as a relieving ruckman.

I'd leave Kreuzer or Warnock out and bring Hampson in. Improves our ruck stocks and gives us some size up forward.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:19 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
We've got players who can give a contest when the ball hits the ground. It's pointless having someone who's 6'6 competing with them.
You're right about Hampson. He's not a tall marking forward yet but he has more potential to become one than Setanta will ever be. Plus he's rapidly improving as ruckman. Carlos is sub standard as a relieving ruckman.

I'd leave Kreuzer or Warnock out and bring Hampson in. Improves our ruck stocks and gives us some size up forward.


Cool. I have not read all of this thread. I got the impression Setanta and Hampson were being compared as forwards.

I would not risk Hampson. The three games he played well in before getting injured were 10 goal wins against Brisbane Port Adelaide and Melbourne. Kruezer and Warnock are my pick as ruck duo at the moment.

In terms of the forward line Setanta must be pressing forward his name to replace someone like Thornton at the moment.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:26 pm 
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Spirit of Carlton wrote:
I would not risk Hampson. The three games he played well in before getting injured were 10 goal wins against Brisbane Port Adelaide and Melbourne.
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You forgot the Sydney game though. He was fantastic in that game before getting injured, was shaping as his best game ever and had taken Mumford to the cleaners.


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Spirit of Carlton wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Our structure requires a tall marking forward who can physically impose himself. Setanta doesn't fit the bill. He's a leading forward who is OK off the deck.
We need a long get out option. Hampson has more potential to fit the bill.
Carlos is a 6'6 Eddie Betts.


Hampson is not a tall marking forward at this stage.

I would rather a bloke who can provide a spalding type contest most of the time who can then compete on the ground than a bloke who takes one contested mark for the game is innefective in others and has no ground game for the spalding contests.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_p ... 1=S&fid2=S


nice comparison, SOC. With Kreuzer and Warnock unlikely to be dropped, it's Hampson v Setanta at FF for mine, and Setanta is the better option this year.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:46 pm 
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..we have a bonafide target KPP in Hendo, but as per usual da blues like to shift 'em down back at the slightest concern [see whits, waite,hendo]..


Jamo being injured has been a blessing in disguise, Hendo playing is playing great at the moment in the backline.

correct me if l am wrong, but l think Buddy only kicked 3 goals on Hendo. One was when Buddy got away and run in to a empty 50m, the other goal was on a sharp angel from 50m and the 3rd was when thornton tripped and he ran into goal.

You would be absolutely nuts to play Jamo on Buddy in his first game back from a serious knee injury when you got a guy that can do a fairly capable job at Full back.

Hendo/Jamo as FB or CHB would be a pretty good combo.

Hendo at this stage of his career struggles playing in the forward line. He doesn't know how to lead or present as a KPP forward. Against WCE he tried to just stand their and take contested marks and had zero value in that game, until he was switched on to JK. If Jamo wasn't injured that game, Hendo would of spent a bit of time in the Ants, but has proved to be a handy option up back. He should learn how to play as a key forward after playing on the best forwards in the league aswell.


..i disagree, last season he was showing great signs of a hardworking, smart KPF.. ....he struggled this year from an interrupted preseason, was rushed in too early vs bombres, and was brought back in the 2nd time perhaps a touch early as well.. ..he needed a couple of games to ease back into it, co-incidently thats about when he was put into defence..

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We needed Setanta (or Fevola ... :razz: ) on Friday night.



Love quoting myself .... :smile:

I think I was on the money here.

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