Au contraire, making Hreewoldt cry again is a worthy goal.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Out: Ellard, Davies, Carrazzo, Armfield,
In: Curnow, Bower/JR, Lucas, Waite/Setanta

Good thing most good judges base their assessments on 2 halfs and think a little deeper than your limits.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Just play the kids.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

perhaps a visit to the

F.A.R.K

in the next two weeks?

Yeh agreed overall, but it would be still nice to win given the run we've had overall against the Saints.

You could bring in any of Hammer, Waite (assuming fit), JR, Bower, Setanta, Curnow, McLean...

We need a marking forward in our structure. Waite is obvious, but will he be fit by then?

In: Hammer, JR, Waite/Setanta
Out: Warnock, Davies, ???

I think I'd replace Warnock with Hammer if he's gets some miles in his legs this week and next week. Robbie was terrible in the 1st half with zero presence in the contested marking situations and very few 2nd and 3rd efforts at the stoppages. Needs to improve his consistency in effort. Krooz is our #1 ruckman/follower and needs to play that role.

We also need a tall presence up forward and that's either Waite or Setanta, leaving an unlucky Thornton to make way. Jamo, Hendo and Laidler are our 3 best tall defenders so no room for Thornton back there, unfortunately.

Big 2 weeks for Curnow. Hopefully he finds lots of the ball.

We have got a 200cm forward in the two's in Setanta Ohalipin who surely comes into the side for this game and the finals.

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You heard it here first!

In: Curnow Russell Ohalipin Hampson
Out: Warnock Davies Joesph Ellard

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You heard it here first!

If West Coast drop one of either Essendon* or Brisbane, our attitude about whether this game means anything or not may drastically change. Their last game against Adelaide is on at the same time/slightly after ours

Gee you're all being very kind to TBird. He is too slow and too short for a key forward against decent oppo and he is back in the queue as third defender. Ellard had a shocker ag the Hawks and lacks class but he has been solid all year, be a big call to drop him now. McLean has been back a few times but is even slower than Thornton. Curnow would need to be going real well in the 2s to get back. Love to see Hammer in rather than Warnock, but Ratts loves Warnock for some reason. Ruckman have to gibvea lot more than getting their hands on indecisive knock outs. If Hammer is really in form after 2 games with the Ants I'd have him back. Maybe Army out, love his pace and toghness but jis disposal can kill you and AJ is going well at the mo. Davies hasn't starred but has been solid, but so was Tuohy and he was dropped. I suspect Army will be out as the sub normally is.

We need to pick a side for finals, if Warnock can't cream inexperienced guys like Zac Clarke and Max Bailey then how will he go against Cox and Jolly and Ottens and Mummy.

In Hammo (if he goes well in the next 2 VFL games) Setanta (ditto) JR and possibly Tuohy
Out Warnock (if Hammo is showing form) Thornton Davies (unlucky) Army (only because the next spot for the sub appears to be the Ants.

Agree Club, WC @ Subi after a Pies flogging could be utopia for us. We have a great record @ Subi.

Though, you've lost me with the "struggle to win" v Saints. At the G we'll hammer them, IMHO.

If I can generalise, isn't it weird that a lot of us would rather play WC at Subi then at Etihad?!

Bloody hate Etihad.

At our best, we can trouble a lot of sides. But in finals, you don't always get the game on your terms. Against the top 4 sides this year, despite showing some improvement, we haven't been able to get the job done. Not once.

That's my concern. What confidence can we take when we continually come up short? If we can't get the result in a H&A game, how will we go in a cut throat final?

Some people say we can take positives out of the second half and I agree with that. But I also believe we shouldn't of been in that position in the first place. We won't win a final playing a half of good football imho.

I guess we have 3 weeks to sort ourselves out.

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We are on our way back...

If Jamison is going to play forward. How about we try Kruezer at CHB?

FB = Henderson
CHB = Kruezer
CHF = Waite
FF = Jamison

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Bulldogs captain Steve Mortimer stood up to address his troops before they ran out. ''I'm a proud c---,'' he told them, ''I'm a winner, I wish myself a good g...ame, I wish everyone a good game. Let's get out there and f---ing bash them

We should go out at 100% and go for the win, we need to make a statement after that debacle last night and build some vital momentum for the first week of the finals.

I fear though that not only will they prove we arent a top 4 team, but we may very well be the 6th best team in the comp

No

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You heard it here first!

But how else would we know how anything and everything effects the good people of Western Australia? Won't someone think of the Western Australians?

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

how about kreuzer just does the ruck work and we dont waste time with him forward cos he has no idea at the moment and cant take a grab. 3 marks in 2 weeks is not good

Not sure what thread to pose this question in, so this one will do:

Do we play Jamo in the VFL next week to give him some extra match practice?

Ratts has already said he'd play there this week. Hampson also. Waite was also mentioned but not sure if that is still relevant.

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