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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:16 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
one of our smallest was one of our bravest tonight

!@#$%& i love simmo


Amazing he's not playing for Essendon* really.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:34 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
one of our smallest was one of our bravest tonight

!@#$%& i love simmo


:thumbsup:

@#$%&! Legend. If only all his teammates played like him.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:37 am 
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Too many soft players in our mob.
Name 1 hawthorn player who squibbed at any stage tonight!
From our mob, Garlett squibbed a couple of times, Carazzo once with the goal mouth open.
Yarran - now where do i start? its awesome to have this bloke running his nuts off from the back half but not when he squibs every marking contest. He is suspect to say the least as a defender. no good with the ball in the air. He had a HUGE chance in the second quarter to jump into Franklins back and hurt the bloke fairly in a marking contest but simply backed off and let him mark it. We wont win a flag until EVERY player on our list is unsociable, tough, and unforgiving.
Get off T-birds back, certainly not in our bottom 5 tonight
Think Duigs, as much as i love the kid, needs a spell.
For those who will take positives from the end margin are kidding themselves. Game was done at 10min mark of the second quarter, they did what they had to do and held us at bay.
Very disappointed. We are a fair way off from tonights effort



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:39 am 
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I don't understand how fumbly we were in the first half. Dropping marks, running over the ball, even when completely uncontested.


It's called "being scared".



its called pressure. if they were ever 'scared' they would be playing in the VAFA.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:53 am 
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I enjoyed the game.
It's pretty rare that nothing goes your way for an entire half of footy. Mind you, you make your own luck.
I think we all know that we need a bit more of a contested marking presence around the ground so we have a bit of security when the running game falls apart a bit.

Could have won that, didn't.
Could have beaten Geelong, didn't.

The day is just around the corner where we'll win those games.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:53 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:20 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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No excuse for that first half. Absolutely disgusting half of football.

Thought we were well and truly past that? Evidently not as the Hawks exposed us once more on the big stage.

Have we truly improved? Who the hell knows?

Reckon 8th will well and truly fancy their chances. That's a sad indictment on us.

So, so disappointed.



Disgusting half of football? :lol: Geez you're a !@#$%& sad sack!

Was watching the game with friends and they all looked at me at half time (after they looked at the scoreline...which is what I'm sure most of you did) and said you must be shattered.

No, I'm not.

Scoreline wasn't really indicitive of the way the game was going. We created scoring opportunities, but kicked a lot of behinds because they weren't good scoring opportunities. If we'd created better, put a score on the board then everything changes.

The thing I was amazed about was when they had time and and patience, they could pinpoint passes, may have been short, but they kept possession of the ball. We were doing ok, but turned it over, or kicked to 50-50 situations too often. We succumbed a lot to inferred pressure too often and rushed kicks because of it.

We've got a long way to go, but to say it was disgusting is being lazy and over emotional.

Premierships aren't won or lost in the first half of a game in Round 22.

Truth is that a game like this is a good learning experience about the type of pressure we need to apply, and withstand, to become a good side.

You guys talk about the draw and how we've had it so tough. I'd rather play Collingwood, Geelong, Hawthorn and West Coast twice throughout the year so we know where we're at before the finals. The more big games we play the better for us. !@#$%& easy games against Melbourne and Richmond. Would rather finish 8th being tested than get an easy draw in and not know where we need to improve.


You appear very easily pleased if you are happy with that first half.

For mine, we've had enough chances to 'learn' and simply haven't been good enough too many times against the top sides.

Tonight was a huge opportunity and we blew it. That's my view of the game. We didn't handle the finals type intensity and pressure. That's highly concerning for me.

How many more opportunities do we need before we win these type of games?

Being the good judge that you are, I'm sure you'll enlighten me.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:30 am 
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Depth in midfield class is lacking - we need to bring in a bit more silk: Lucas, Russell, Tuohy and our first round pick this year.

When Joseph, Davies, Ellard and Carrazzo are first team players, we know we don't have enough depth.

Austin tonight would have helped. Tbird was a bit out of sorts, maybe still feeling the effects of the injury from last week.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:12 am 
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MPH78 wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
No excuse for that first half. Absolutely disgusting half of football.

Thought we were well and truly past that? Evidently not as the Hawks exposed us once more on the big stage.

Have we truly improved? Who the hell knows?

Reckon 8th will well and truly fancy their chances. That's a sad indictment on us.

So, so disappointed.



Disgusting half of football? :lol: Geez you're a !@#$%& sad sack!

Was watching the game with friends and they all looked at me at half time (after they looked at the scoreline...which is what I'm sure most of you did) and said you must be shattered.

No, I'm not.

Scoreline wasn't really indicitive of the way the game was going. We created scoring opportunities, but kicked a lot of behinds because they weren't good scoring opportunities. If we'd created better, put a score on the board then everything changes.

The thing I was amazed about was when they had time and and patience, they could pinpoint passes, may have been short, but they kept possession of the ball. We were doing ok, but turned it over, or kicked to 50-50 situations too often. We succumbed a lot to inferred pressure too often and rushed kicks because of it.

We've got a long way to go, but to say it was disgusting is being lazy and over emotional.

Premierships aren't won or lost in the first half of a game in Round 22.

Truth is that a game like this is a good learning experience about the type of pressure we need to apply, and withstand, to become a good side.

You guys talk about the draw and how we've had it so tough. I'd rather play Collingwood, Geelong, Hawthorn and West Coast twice throughout the year so we know where we're at before the finals. The more big games we play the better for us. !@#$%& easy games against Melbourne and Richmond. Would rather finish 8th being tested than get an easy draw in and not know where we need to improve.


You appear very easily pleased if you are happy with that first half.

For mine, we've had enough chances to 'learn' and simply haven't been good enough too many times against the top sides.

Tonight was a huge opportunity and we blew it. That's my view of the game. We didn't handle the finals type intensity and pressure. That's highly concerning for me.

How many more opportunities do we need before we win these type of games?

Being the good judge that you are, I'm sure you'll enlighten me.


I didn't say I was pleased with the first half, just not shattered and didn't think it was 'disgusting'. The fact we came back, won the second half and had a chance to win the game shows I was right, just like I was right when we played the Swans and everyone was doom and gloom when we were 18 points down and won the game.

Sometimes you have to look at how the game is being played and not base things purely on the scoreline, but like I said you're too lazy to have a think about that. I mean you think, based only on the first half, that 8th will fancy their chances against us? What will 8th think after viewing our second half? Have you thought about that? Or just too busy showing how 'angry' you are that we've embarassed Perth supporters and now the Eagles fans will be happy?

We're coming off a pretty low base in terms of experience in big games. How many opportunities do we need before we win these games? As many as it takes. We don't have a right to win these games, there's no formula that decides when you're ready. Maybe we're like the Bulldogs and simply not good enough.

Am I happy with that? No, I'd rather be sitting top 2, but to be 5th isn't the end of the world. We'd have all taken that at the start of the season. It's impossible to replicate the pressure of these games at training so everytime we encounter that type of pressure we're going to benefit from it.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:16 am 
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Brettie wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Disgusting half of football? :lol: Geez you're a !@#$%& sad sack!

Was watching the game with friends and they all looked at me at half time (after they looked at the scoreline...which is what I'm sure most of you did) and said you must be shattered.

No, I'm not.

Oh purlease....... :roll:


Thanks for that.

Any chance you want to explain why I should have been shattered at half-time?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:17 am 
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Shattered.

I really thought we would win the premiership this year. Now I am shattered. In a million pieces.

Mope. Sob. Mope. :cry:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:22 am 
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we were seriously scared in the first half. we've been well coached in recent times but we didn't go into this game with the right mindset. they're tough to play against, the hawks, streak or not, they got it done in the first half. how good was gibson?

what makes me happy is that when we click i think there's no side in the comp that can hold back the tide. i love the fact we're a fast-running team. god-damn we looked good a few times in the third and fourth flying the ball down the wing. it's our comparative advantage, and often it takes till the last half to let the leash off.

but still, that first half is september football. and we looked a fair way off.

(could have used a target at full-forward. like setanta.)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:29 am 
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The overall loss and some of the brittle 1st half efforts hurts now, but should be a motivation for the rest of the year.

Hoping the blowtorch is applied over this break and we respond appropriately.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:35 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
Actually I'm okay. e are not there, but I didn't think we were, am impressed though that we stuck at it.

I would ruck with Kruise and play a more mobile tall. I think Kruise and Warnock are ruckmen - if fit I prefer Kruise in the ruck but not forward or if forward then they cannot have a spare man in defence.

We need Waite in and a CHF - Austin? Setanta?

and we need JR Lucas and Curnow back in that side, perhaps Touhy also.



I agree. We would have won for sure. Mind you, I doubt the AFL would let us have 6 players more than the opposition. :razz:

Looking at the positives, we could have easily pinched the match. Yes we were wasteful early but hawthorn came to a screaming halt. They have as many issues as us to address. The biggest positive was Jamo up forward. Having someone who made Gibson accountable assisted our cause immeasurably. The ability to change the momentum of a match like we did last night is a feather in our cap that we didn't have in previous years.

I'm not giving the season away yet. Hammer will make a big difference to our structure.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:47 am 
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All things considered not a bad result. First half was very disappointing. Too much fumbling. We got within 12 points of the 3rd placed team with Judd having his worst game of the year. Also playing at a venue which has given us problems all year. At Etihad, you really need a key forward who can take a few key grabs. We were never going to finish in the top four. Ratten would have taken a lot from that game. At the end of the day you want to be peaking in September. At the MCG on a sunny day, our spread will trouble the hawks. Now Collingwood is another matter.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:54 am 
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Not much more to add here
shocking first half given what was on offer the double chance

Great we fought back but you cant win games if you shit yourself in the first half. We did and yes some players squibbed it which is bitterley disappointing given the stakes.


Cant win these games when kicking to Betts and Gartlett in contested marking situations.
Must have a couple of big blokes in the forward 50 for the finals
O'hailpin could come in just to provide a contest and bring the ball down rather than the defender marking it.Jamo could be the answer up forward.
Warnock hopeless last night. Hopefully Hammer can string a couple together in the ants because he is simple better than Warnock.Warnock taps the ball down and does nothing else. Hammer can play forward as well
Carrazzo his lack of pace and poor kicking is a liability
Thornton simply lacks body on body contact. Is a one trick pony. Cut him some slack because of last week but doesnt have enough tricks
reckon Davies is ok but needs another year of development
we look a tired team. The bye could not have come at a more appropriate time.

Out Warnock Davies Thornton Carrazzo
IN Lucas, Hampson, Tuohy,O,Hailpin

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:37 am 
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I just hope next year we get all the top four sides twice in the regular season. The players need to get consistent exposure against these sides.

I especially hope we get Hawthorn twice. It was said in the Age yesterday, and it is true, they isolate each team's three or four weakest links and just intimidate them. We could all name our blokes in that category, and in my opinion they have all been shown up consistently in games against the top 4 (incl Eagles) this year.

So the only way to a flag is to get mental steel into those blokes or to turn them over. Given who they are, I'd be surprised if we turned them over. So the trick is to put them in the cauldron as often as possible so they know what to expect and how to work their way through it. I'm pretty sure the coaching staff would also be thinking about ways to get them to work harder against more inferior opposition.

Finally, full credit to Andrew Walker who escaped joining the pretenders list by working his way into the game quite brilliantly when moved out of the forward line. It shows exactly what we need from the softer tier.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:44 am 
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I just hope next year we get all the top four sides twice in the regular season. The players need to get consistent exposure against these sides.

I especially hope we get Hawthorn twice. It was said in the Age yesterday, and it is true, they isolate each team's three or four weakest links and just intimidate them. We could all name our blokes in that category, and in my opinion they have all been shown up consistently in games against the top 4 (incl Eagles) this year.

So the only way to a flag is to get mental steel into those blokes or to turn them over. Given who they are, I'd be surprised if we turned them over. So the trick is to put them in the cauldron as often as possible so they know what to expect and how to work their way through it. I'm pretty sure the coaching staff would also be thinking about ways to get them to work harder against more inferior opposition.

Finally, full credit to Andrew Walker who escaped joining the pretenders list by working his way into the game quite brilliantly when moved out of the forward line. It shows exactly what we need from the softer tier.


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Agree with Molly that we need more "big" H&A games. That first 1/2 was finals like.
Although we were outgunned, we were level on most stats. If we had kicked better, we should have gone in 3 goals down, which would have been undeserving almost but we would have been right in the game.
I thought defensively, we held up OK. The Hawks had midfield dominance and kicked 7 goals for the half. Their behind total is misleading as they had a lot of rushed behinds. Their goals were easy which made it look worse.

Dermie said after the game that if Jamison was a polished forward, Carlton would have won the game. The difference was Buddy. Hendo did OK on him esp after half time but his strength and contested marking was a key.

At least the coaches know what they have to work on for finals.

We desperately need a fit and firing Waite. Desperately

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We play them in the finals we will win.

That was a game we should have won.

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