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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:36 pm 
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Just home, pretty disappointing.
Terrible first half, couldnt handle the pressure.
At least they had a crack in the second half and with a bit of luck could have snatched the game.
Many players were down.
Great atmosphere at the ground, had a gutter mouth sitting behind us who wouldnt shut up.
Not having a big marking forward is going to kill us come finals.
On a positive, 2 years ago we would have folded and been thrashed.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:36 pm 
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Yeah, happy with the second half but disgusted by the first.
1st half
Soft, scared, fearful, leaving the work to someone else.
2nd half
Innovative, brave, willing.

A pity about our 100% ridiculous clangers costing us goals. Thornton falling over, Duigan turnover in the middle of the ground, Armfield horrendous turnovers.

Contested marking still kills us. Our talls don't have to mark it necessarily, at least stop them.

And goal kicking! Nothing matters more in the game of football than having the gumption to actually kick the bloody thing through the big sticks. Garlett, Jamison, Jeff, Bryce, Eddie, Juddy all torched golden opportunities.

And we still got within 2 goals. Gives me hope that on the MCG with Waite back in the team we could really do some damage.

Cudos to Yarran for another sparkling game. Simmo for his sheer persistence. Hendo really improved as the game wore on. He's getting a few tricks in his game now.

And Warnock. I really love his tap work, coming along nicely. Just wish he'd take a mark.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:38 pm 
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Too many soft players in our mob.
Name 1 hawthorn player who squibbed at any stage tonight!
From our mob, Garlett squibbed a couple of times, Carazzo once with the goal mouth open.
Yarran - now where do i start? its awesome to have this bloke running his nuts off from the back half but not when he squibs every marking contest. He is suspect to say the least as a defender. no good with the ball in the air. He had a HUGE chance in the second quarter to jump into Franklins back and hurt the bloke fairly in a marking contest but simply backed off and let him mark it. We wont win a flag until EVERY player on our list is unsociable, tough, and unforgiving.
Get off T-birds back, certainly not in our bottom 5 tonight
Think Duigs, as much as i love the kid, needs a spell.
For those who will take positives from the end margin are kidding themselves. Game was done at 10min mark of the second quarter, they did what they had to do and held us at bay.
Very disappointed. We are a fair way off from tonights effort

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:39 pm 
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Blues87 wrote:
Yeah, happy with the second half but disgusted by the first.
1st half
Soft, scared, fearful, leaving the work to someone else.
2nd half
Innovative, brave, willing.

A pity about our 100% ridiculous clangers costing us goals. Thornton falling over, Duigan turnover in the middle of the ground, Armfield horrendous turnovers.

Contested marking still kills us. Our talls don't have to mark it necessarily, at least stop them.

And goal kicking! Nothing matters more in the game of football than having the gumption to actually kick the bloody thing through the big sticks. Garlett, Jamison, Jeff, Bryce, Eddie, Juddy all torched golden opportunities.

And we still got within 2 goals. Gives me hope that on the MCG with Waite back in the team we could really do some damage.

Cudos to Yarran for another sparkling game. Simmo for his sheer persistence. Hendo really improved as the game wore on. He's getting a few tricks in his game now.

And Warnock. I really love his tap work, coming along nicely. Just wish he'd take a mark.


Garlett gets two mentions in the misses. What is going on Jeff? You were so cool in front of goal last year.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:39 pm 
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We gave the third best team in the comp a 2 quarter head start and lost by 2 goals.
Meh.


Very disappointed in the disgraceful first half, but a tiny bit of luck and we would have won.

I've said it before, but Jeff Garlett needs to go to goal kicking training with Walker (Gibbs, Betts and Jamo struggled with this too, but Garlett's miss from 10 meters out in the second quarter was disgusting, and really could have been the difference).


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:40 pm 
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I must say, apart from a belated fightback and promising signs from Hendo on Lance and Joseph on Rioli there wasn't much too be excited about.

At least we have a week off to get over it and have a full-dress rehearsal for the finals with the Saints the following week.

Finals will still be interesting, but it's definitely not our year unfortunately.... next year maybe?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:42 pm 
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Words all but fail me, that first half... As Sydney Blue said, rabbits in the headlights; not just Carrots either. This doesn't augur well for the finals. What is it? Lack of self belief? Overawed by the occasion? Too many players whose legs turn to jelly when kicking for goal in big matches.

Oh god the kicking skills! I'm so,so sick of bemoaning our kicking skills year after year. I guess you've got to sheet some of the blame home to the recruiters. I can't see how we can win a flag with so many players whose kicking skills are flawed. Armfield is a luxury we can't afford, I love his endeavour but, he kills us so often with his kicking.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:44 pm 
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OMFG

What the #%@ was that?

Completely surreal experience.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:47 pm 
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Spirit of Carlton wrote:
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Carrotts = rabbit in head lights


I see what you've done there.



:lol:

A lot to learn from tonight. Poor at defending kick ins, especially up the corridor (get your act together Richo).
An opportunity to sit some players down and show them how soft they were when the ball was there to be won. Especially Jeffy. Yes we have some young and slight players but when its your turn to go, there's no room for those who pick and choose when they want to commit at the contest.

Secondly, we're seeing how much turnovers hurt you against good sides. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and leave out good players who cant kick the ball consistently in favour of kids who can use it well. Hawthorn are where they are now because they bit the bullet and left out guys like McGlynn in favour of good users. Army is a goer but his skills are not finals footy standard. If they cant kick the ball, they must be exceptional in other areas. He lacks any other standout features. As much as they did their jobs, I cant see AJ and Davies being in our long term future either.

Lastly, tonight again demonstrated the value of taking your chances in front of goal, You cant win a lot of goals coming off 1.10. Fortunately the boys showed a lot of courage and to end up winning the inside 50 count was a good acheivement. Lots of positives to take from the game. Great to see Yazz taking them on again. That type of daring run breaks up presses and zones better than anything else.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:48 pm 
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I don't understand how fumbly we were in the first half. Dropping marks, running over the ball, even when completely uncontested.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:49 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
nightcrawler wrote:
It's all well and good to talk the talk about how you're not scared of big bad Hawthorn anymore. But if you're going to spend the first quarter fumbling the ball, back peddling, and generally looking over your shoulder, and nobody's prepared to run through a hawks player to make a point, then what the flower is the point?


Good call.


I agree too. I'm generally a 'glass half full', rather than 'glass half empty' person, but our first half was abysmal. We get torched at Etihad far too easily with kickouts as well. All well and good to be happy with the comeback, but it was only necessary because the the appalling start. Against a team that has made a life (recently) about bullying us, we were pissweak. I hope the internal review of the game doesn't shirk this.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:51 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
I don't understand how fumbly we were in the first half. Dropping marks, running over the ball, even when completely uncontested.


It's called "being scared".

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:53 pm 
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Another missed opportunity....in a comp where the top 5 teams are way ahead of the rest to finish fifth behind last years wooden spooner will be very disappointing....the club may have set a pass mark of winning a final for this year but really if we don't make the last 4 we have not improved greatly given the decline in the standard of most teams this season....

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:57 pm 
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Disappointing overall. A few positives, but many more negatives.

First half was insipid. I really thought we were over being intimidated by this mob, but obviously not. The game was actually very very similar to the game last year against them, the difference this time is that we kept fighting which I suppose was one positive. We certainly did show in the second half that we can run teams off their feet, but the first half was unforgivable. It was weak, it was panicky, it was gutless. So so disappointed in what I saw. We were just deplorably soft, and so panicky when we got the footy.

Some positives - thought Hendo just grew as the game went on, 4 goals definitely flatters Buddy. AJ did a great job on Cyril. Jamo showed that it'd be great to have two of him. Would like to obviously see Waite back in, but if not, then we must see Setanta or Bower for Davies. As honest as Davies is, I don't think he's league standard.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:59 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Spirit of Carlton wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Carrotts = rabbit in head lights


I see what you've done there.



:lol:

A lot to learn from tonight. Poor at defending kick ins, especially up the corridor (get your act together Richo).
An opportunity to sit some players down and show them how soft they were when the ball was there to be won. Especially Jeffy. Yes we have some young and slight players but when its your turn to go, there's no room for those who pick and choose when they want to commit at the contest.

Secondly, we're seeing how much turnovers hurt you against good sides. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and leave out good players who cant kick the ball consistently in favour of kids who can use it well. Hawthorn are where they are now because they bit the bullet and left out guys like McGlynn in favour of good users. Army is a goer but his skills are not finals footy standard. If they cant kick the ball, they must be exceptional in other areas. He lacks any other standout features. As much as they did their jobs, I cant see AJ and Davies being in our long term future either.

Lastly, tonight again demonstrated the value of taking your chances in front of goal, You cant win a lot of goals coming off 1.10. Fortunately the boys showed a lot of courage and to end up winning the inside 50 count was a good acheivement. Lots of positives to take from the game. Great to see Yazz taking them on again. That type of daring run breaks up presses and zones better than anything else.


Spot on.
I was desperate for us to nab Drummond in the Fev trade somehow.
We have recruited a lot of terriers who can run and chase but spray the ball everywhere.
Robinson, Garlett, Armfield, Joseph are killing us.
They weren't alone tonight either.

We kicked it too low to Kreuzer, and too high to Betts.
Not to mention the out of bounds on the full :banghead:

A bit more accurate kicking all round the ground and we would have won that.

I've heard good things about Kerr and O'Keefe, but sadly they haven't come on yet.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:02 am 
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One more thing, I was sitting at ground level tonight, and literally couldn't believe how often Hawthorn throw the ball, especially when the umpire is blindsided. I probably counted 15 throws from Hawthorn players. It is a blight on the game.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:05 am 
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The frustrating thing is that we only had a handful of good players yet could easily have won the game. The way we peppered the goals in the final term and kept kicking points only to have Hawthorn run it down their end to goal was very annoying.
I hope this is not an indication of what the players are going to dish up in the first week of the finals after not playing a final in Melbourne for 10 years. It seems the pressure was too much tonight.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:05 am 
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The Spornstar wrote:

First half was insipid. I really thought we were over being intimidated by this mob, but obviously not.


That's why I'm aggro. I thought we were finally not that team who got intimidated easily and let our poor record against certain clubs creep into our minds - tonight's game shows we're just not quite over that yet.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:05 am 
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The Spornstar wrote:
One more thing, I was sitting at ground level tonight, and literally couldn't believe how often Hawthorn throw the ball, especially when the umpire is blindsided. I probably counted 15 throws from Hawthorn players. It is a blight on the game.

Only Judd throws the ball.


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