But that's just not true due to the totally compromised fixture. This year, it seems to have gone against us, as Amari's stats show. Yes, yes I understand that if we were clearly better than WCE and Hawthorn we would've overcome this, but we shouldn't bloody well have to, the hurdle of a tougher draw just shouldn't exist in a fair dinkum competition. It makes a damn big difference if all that separates us and WCE is 2 points - imagine if that game against Essendon* (not to mention one of our two games against Collingwood) was against Gold Coast or Port Adelaide instead?

The effect of the fixture is overrated.

We lost to West Coast in Melbourne and most of you give us little chance against Hawhorn yet you think we deserve to finish ahead of them.

I reckon the stats of wins and losses explain the story a little better than opinion on the fixfure.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Thia is not a poor us whinge, but it does seem unlucky that this year we are effectively no better off coming 5th than 8th, and no worse off coming 4th than 1st.

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5th means we have "earned" the home final though.

This year the way the 8 has gone it's just lucky that 4th, and quite possibly 8th, will get you playing in Melbourne (Lucky if you're a Victorian team, obviously)

8th place last year sent us up to Sydney, and the year before it sent you off to Adelaide.

Co-sign.

If Kade keeps the ball in bounds, if Jeffy settles and kicks a goal it's an academic discussion and our fate is in our hands.

Essentially we've had two bad days at the office, and let two opportunities slip. If that costs us top four, so be it.

Agree Missnaut, not having a go at the system just the way the cards might fall this year.

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I reckon the Dees might beat the Eagles this week
Sylvia jarrah morton to come back - would be helpful if jamar did
dees are due for a good game and surely eagles have ridden their luck against dogs and freo

some on the list are playing for their future Dunne bartram Bate rivers etc

jones and moloney about time to be tough at contest not before game or at quarter time

Rosa doubtful,
Cox possibly...60/40 to play they say..ditto Kennedy.
ya never know.

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That'd be nice.

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Dees hate Etihad as much as we do. No chance.

They would be quite rightly p`d off having to play their home game there.
Interstate sides are very comfortable at the Dome.

Sorry Frank, this is about the 7th game were we've looked to another club to do us a favour and all they do is lose.

Whats worse, they make it excruciatingly close before falling over. Bastards.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Listen Cimm...howz about you go see those WC boys, and try some hypnotism?...y'all are getting verrryyyy sleeepy..soooo tired from the plane ride....need to slowww downn....when you hear the word Melbourne...you need to lie down...(see angus for lessons)mel-bourne.....sleeeeepppyy.......Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Well, obviously wins and losses are important, but I disagree completely with your general point. We lost in Melbourne to West Coast, yes that's true. But so what? Upsets happen. We beat Geelong last year, does that mean we deserved to finish above them? All I'm saying is that if we had an identical draw to West Coast's, we'd most likely be finishing above them.



I just don't get this logic. Sure, Simmo and Jeffy's mistakes were costly, but if our draw was more favourable we might have been playing a poor team rather than Essendon* twice and have easily won that game. If we had a fixture like the Eagles had, we might have played Port Adelaide twice rather than Collingwood twice (as another example), and have an extra win on the board. The fixture matters!

I realise in the outside world I'd probably be labelled a whinger, but if I can't whinge on TC, then where can I?

The fixture is a joke and very, very unfair. I'm not sure what the fix is but as long as we don't play each team evenly, the advantage will always be there for some rather than others. Maybe we reduce the rounds next year to 17 or increase them to 34 .... anything else is not even or fair.

I'm sure we would be far better off if we had 18 games at the G like our rich neighbours

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I think Woosha has some sort of chemical antidote (wink).
Just need Cox and Nata to get a few more knocks, nothing too serious, just enough to stop them running mad for 4/4.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Play every side once consecutively then seeded from the previous seasons ladder positions for the remaining games.

That actually goes against everything I said.

Wins and losses aren't just important...they're everything. If all goes as people are predicting then West Coast and Hawthorn will have more than us. Its hard to argue against that, yet here you are arguing the draw is more important than the number of wins you have.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Logic? I'm not sure if there was logic there

My only point was that if you had of said to me at the start of the season that we would have two bad days, missed out on two gettable and would have a chance at 16.5 wins at the start of the season I would have taken it.

If after having two bad days, and two close results not go our way means we finish fifth this year, well I will wear it. We are one of a few clubs whose draw is even more scripted than the norm, so we can't really worry about it. We raked home 800k+ from the Collingwood game, so I've got no complaints about the draw.