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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:10 am 
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the umpiring against Judd has changed in the past 2-3 weeks. Now when Judd gets tackled and usually he is already in the process of being tackled before he takes possession of the ball and Judd can't break free he is pinged for holding it. But last night North were allowed to be slung 360/450 degrees and still its play on.
Also noticed that we are directed to play on virtually straight away after a mark where as North were given much more time.
the holding the ball when a guy is under a pack lying on his stomach with 3 guys sitting on top of him and gets pinged for holding and the reason the umps say is made no attempt to get rid of it. I would love for Geesh to have 3-4 guys at 90-100kgs sit on top of him with knee's in the head and back try and make a realistic attempt of a handball.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:16 am 
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MISSED CON:
Armfield's injury..

Q: Does anyone else think we play better with Armfield in the team. I have no stats to back this up, and I definitely think we have better players skill wise, knowledge wise etc that are possibly ahead of him, BUT, if feels to me like when he plays we win more often and usually put in a better performance.... Am I delusional? :screwy:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:39 am 
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Once we had a 4 goal lead, we could have buried them, we had the opportunities to kick 3 or 4 more goals but started to get cute.

Collingwood have been level at 3 qtr time and won by 8 goals. We don't yet have that killer instinct.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:01 am 
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PRO: "Ratten also revealed he'd used his suspicion that North Melbourne fancied its chances against the Blues as a motivator for his players.

"For our football club it was time to make a stand," Ratten said.

"We spoke about, 'why do the Kangaroos pick us for their Friday night game every year?'

"They asked for us. Is that because we're close geographically together or do they think it's a great way to spend their Friday night that they get from the AFL?"

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:05 am 
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Kruscendo wrote:
MISSED CON:
Armfield's injury..

Q: Does anyone else think we play better with Armfield in the team. I have no stats to back this up, and I definitely think we have better players skill wise, knowledge wise etc that are possibly ahead of him, BUT, if feels to me like when he plays we win more often and usually put in a better performance.... Am I delusional? :screwy:


No doubt Dennis does add something to the team, however to answer your question, statistically it doesn't show up either way in wins and losses.

Since Armfield joined the club prior to the 2008 season, Carlton has (forgetting about the draw) had 46 wins and 41 losses (53% win ratio).

Armfield himself has played in 28 wins 26 losses (52% win ratio). So really he is running about as expected.

While I was at it, I also looked to see how we go without a couple of players who are considered crucial to our structure, over the same period:

Since the start of 2008, Jamison has played in 33 wins and 28 losses (54%) so we go slightly better with him in the team.

Waite has played in 29 wins and 28 losses (51%) so we go a bit worse with him in the team.

I also looked at Bower - he has played in 21 wins and 27 losses over the period (44% winning ratio so well down on our average), however I think the timing of his injuries has been a bit unfair to Bower, if he had been fit for this year and played that could be a very different story.

But the most interesting was Setanta. We have a great record with him in the side. Since 2008 he has played in 27 wins and 16 losses, a 63% win ratio, which could well be the best of all players in that period (discounting those who only played a few games).

Sorry, I realise I have got this thread off topic, but was an interesting exercise.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:11 am 
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Pro's:
HENDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Cons:
Jeffy's contests, need more vigour. You may only weigh 75kg but a cricket bat ways 2kg and that would do a lot more damage. Jeffy looks like he's thinking "if I get the ball i'll have to shoot for goal and I'll miss" . just get the ball Jeffy YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!

Also, can we employ Laidler as our marking coach?, he has the best technique's of any of our players. .

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:08 pm 
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pros
Scotland and Simpson fantastic as usual
Laidler and Duigan excellent pickups and didnt use much to get them
Gibbs very good last night great to see a bit more intensity
Judd is so good that when he plays an average game he still is good
Yarran had such an influence on a tight game. BOG for me
Davies looks a likely type. Another that has plenty of pace
henderson was really good.Still want him up forward when Jamo comes back
cons
houlihan
McLean
Warnock. Hope Hammer is back soon


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:22 pm 
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Biggest pro. Gibbs is finally being used in a position where his skills can impact on the scoreboard. Gibbs gets 15 possies forward of centre and you'll get 2-3 goals + goal assists. And if he gets a hard tag, send him to the opposition's best running defender to keep him in the forward line and shake off the tag. If the tag comes off, back to playing the Goddard type role but with more time in F50

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:13 pm 
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The Spornstar wrote:
Kruscendo wrote:
MISSED CON:
Armfield's injury..

Q: Does anyone else think we play better with Armfield in the team. I have no stats to back this up, and I definitely think we have better players skill wise, knowledge wise etc that are possibly ahead of him, BUT, if feels to me like when he plays we win more often and usually put in a better performance.... Am I delusional? :screwy:


No doubt Dennis does add something to the team, however to answer your question, statistically it doesn't show up either way in wins and losses.

Since Armfield joined the club prior to the 2008 season, Carlton has (forgetting about the draw) had 46 wins and 41 losses (53% win ratio).

Armfield himself has played in 28 wins 26 losses (52% win ratio). So really he is running about as expected.

While I was at it, I also looked to see how we go without a couple of players who are considered crucial to our structure, over the same period:

Since the start of 2008, Jamison has played in 33 wins and 28 losses (54%) so we go slightly better with him in the team.

Waite has played in 29 wins and 28 losses (51%) so we go a bit worse with him in the team.

I also looked at Bower - he has played in 21 wins and 27 losses over the period (44% winning ratio so well down on our average), however I think the timing of his injuries has been a bit unfair to Bower, if he had been fit for this year and played that could be a very different story.

But the most interesting was Setanta. We have a great record with him in the side. Since 2008 he has played in 27 wins and 16 losses, a 63% win ratio, which could well be the best of all players in that period (discounting those who only played a few games).

Sorry, I realise I have got this thread off topic, but was an interesting exercise.


Great stuff Spornstar. :thumbsup:

Thank you for taking the time.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:16 pm 
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I struggle with McLean being labelled a con. He was at least as good as Curnow has been recently. Picked a bit of it, and I really liked how disruptive he was at stoppages and contests. He also seemed a lot more up to the pace of the game. Certainly there was some room for improvement but he showed more than enough to suggest that with a run of games he can carve out a role.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:33 am 
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The biggest con for me was our tackling pressure or lack of it.
The Kangas were breaking our tackles at will. Some of them just assumed they would break our tackles, they ignored prior opportunity and took on the tackler knowing they could break it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:47 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
The biggest con for me was our tackling pressure or lack of it.
The Kangas were breaking our tackles at will. Some of them just assumed they would break our tackles, they ignored prior opportunity and took on the tackler knowing they could break it.


Agree Buzz. There were a lot of arm tackles on display last week. Brock was guilty of a couple of these, although he wasn't alone.

Suggest there would be plenty of tape for the tackling specialist to review this week.


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