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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:45 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:20 am 
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So Bower re-injured himself running around Princess Park :lol:

Time to get the curse lifted.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:00 am 
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What was the name of that reality football side on Ch7 that Rhys-Jones coached? The Hammerheads?

Lets sack the MC and we can all vote by sms on strategy and selection.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:40 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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Seriously that has to be our worst team for 3-4 years....wtf are they thinking not bringing setanta in????



Because he'd make all the diff between mediocre and great? :lol:


No, because we have no talls in the side and they have about 6 or 7

Reimers and Monfores to run riot


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:10 am 
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marciblue wrote:
We're obviously not fair dinkum about this



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:12 am 
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Blueboy_Dan wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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Seriously that has to be our worst team for 3-4 years....wtf are they thinking not bringing setanta in????



Because he'd make all the diff between mediocre and great? :lol:


No, because we have no talls in the side and they have about 6 or 7

Reimers and Monfores to run riot



They’ll run riot because......we have no talls in the side? Now I’m really confused. :confused:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:19 am 
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So Bower re-injured himself running around Princess Park :lol:

Time to get the curse lifted.


Do you mean Princes park?
Or are you calling Bower soft?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:32 am 
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Bower must live under a ladder with a black cat.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:54 am 
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Although we are short, its not as if their forward line is marking everything in sight.

With Heath Hocking, Jobe and even Lonergan out they will struggle to get the ball inside 50. These 3 have been their best players against us time and time again.

In saying that, wouldnt be surprised to see Austin or Setanta to come in as insurance.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:04 am 
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We won return match last year by 76 points, Jeffy got 6. Expecting Jeffy to tear them to shreds this time, too, he's due.

We WILL win by 6 goals plus as their crippled midfield just won't get it enough, end of story. FFS, they trailed the Crows by 6 goals at 1/2 time last week.

Did anyone notice we lost to the almighty ones by only 3 goals last week, a team with the all time record percentage for a top team?? I'll back our current form against theirs any day of the week.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:08 am 
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jimmae wrote:
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I'd say Ellard is in because he has a crack and works his arse off. I'd be surprised if the MC has assigned him a role where a high possession game is his aim.

I've just sat through the first quarter of the Collingwood game and I can tell you he is off the boil physically, as well as positionally.

I don't think he had a single touch.


Exactly jim. If you want presence, bring in Brock. he doesn't get many touches either but his 1%s are far better.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:12 am 
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Blueboy_Dan wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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Seriously that has to be our worst team for 3-4 years....wtf are they thinking not bringing setanta in????



Because he'd make all the diff between mediocre and great? :lol:


No, because we have no talls in the side and they have about 6 or 7

Reimers and Monfores to run riot


206 small? Kruezer small? Henda?

The only spot we have gambled on is playing Davies ahead of Watson or Austin. IF we are on our game in the midfield the few cm difference between those guys won't make an ounce of difference. If we lose the midfield and the result is their tall players get great service and outmark us then we have big issues in the midfield. Wont happen.

We haven't been getting outmarked due to height..... Well maybe once by Lynch but WC would have still won if he wasnt out there we were so far off our game. Last week Cloke had Henda on him. Jolly had 206 and K on him.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:19 am 
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Hornet wrote:
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when did Austin become an in form versatile superstar?

No one has called him a superstar, just some of us believe he deserves a chance to prove himself given our loss of similar type/sized players...


Precisely. He has the ingredients we are missing. For one example, why kick it to Eddie as has been happening for years just to see him out marked or out muscled. No one including me who is bleating for Austin's inclusion is saying he is a champ but he is a versatile tall and an ideal backup for Henderson who the MC can then play back or forward.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:25 am 
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Blueboy_Dan wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Blueboy_Dan wrote:
Seriously that has to be our worst team for 3-4 years....wtf are they thinking not bringing setanta in????



Because he'd make all the diff between mediocre and great? :lol:


No, because we have no talls in the side and they have about 6 or 7

Reimers and Monfores to run riot

club29 wrote:
206 small? Kruezer small? Henda?

The only spot we have gambled on is playing Davies ahead of Watson or Austin. IF we are on our game in the midfield the few cm difference between those guys won't make an ounce of difference. If we lose the midfield and the result is their tall players get great service and outmark us then we have big issues in the midfield. Wont happen.

We haven't been getting outmarked due to height..... Well maybe once by Lynch but WC would have still won if he wasnt out there we were so far off our game. Last week Cloke had Henda on him. Jolly had 206 and K on him.

This is where a smart defence comes into play. Nominating who the opposition forward go to targets are and having the ability to out-number those targets at the contest to gain possession and rebound forward. It's where Gavin Brown earns his stripes.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:35 am 
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206 small? Kruezer small? Henda?

The only spot we have gambled on is playing Davies ahead of Watson or Austin. IF we are on our game in the midfield the few cm difference between those guys won't make an ounce of difference. If we lose the midfield and the result is their tall players get great service and outmark us then we have big issues in the midfield. Wont happen.

We haven't been getting outmarked due to height..... Well maybe once by Lynch but WC would have still won if he wasnt out there we were so far off our game. Last week Cloke had Henda on him. Jolly had 206 and K on him.



Kreuzer is not kicking goals and is only reasonably effective as a ruckman at the moment. 206 can't kick even when he has the opportunity. So we have no effective tall in the forward line. We do have a stop gap in T-Bird and a mid in Walker. That leaves us with one effective KPP in Henderson. And if he has a poor game or is injured. Ouch, no backup so can't swing him anywhere else. So I make my case for Austin again. Not because he is the next big thing but he would make us far more versatile.

The more I think about it, unless it buckets down tomorrow night, there will be a late inclusion.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:36 am 
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The kid has gone from being in the top half of our list to not in the first 38 picked this year. That's absurd, even with his form woes.[/quote]
spot on, cant be helping him. his form has been up and down but no worse than watson or twomey.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:40 am 
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jimmae wrote:
[Who's to say Austin & Lucas wouldn't value a spot in the 22? At what point does Lucas get a chance to redeem himself?

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After he get's a kick in the seconds, I've got no doubt they are as frustrated as the rest of us that quality footballer can't be selected in the top side.

He was named as an emergency after reportedly going a bit better recently.

It probably comes down to selection philosophy. At the Dockers, if you are considered in their best 22 they seem to pick you asap. Muzungu (sp?), Suban, McPhee, Hayden, Silvagni, Barlow all played minimal WAFL (if any games) I think Barlow played a game and a half after one of the most shocking injuries a footballer can sustain..

We picked Krooz pretty quick on his return and he was good, Hoop's and Hendo showed what happens if you get it wrong.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:51 am 
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We are killing Watson.


We are only killing watson if the communication at the club is poor.

If he's being told that the big games against the Pies that he's been in are a learning experience, and that the coach and MC are behind him, then I don't think it's killing him.

He knows clearly now the difference in pinpoint skills and effort required at the top flight, there's your reminder Watto, go back to the ants and work on those specific things, and be better for it.

It's all about communication.

I'd rather see what they have exposed Watson to by playing him on the big stage and giving him real responsibilities like kick ins and the like than what Pagan did to Josh Kennedy.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:03 am 
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club29 wrote:
206 small? Kruezer small? Henda?

The only spot we have gambled on is playing Davies ahead of Watson or Austin. IF we are on our game in the midfield the few cm difference between those guys won't make an ounce of difference. If we lose the midfield and the result is their tall players get great service and outmark us then we have big issues in the midfield. Wont happen.

We haven't been getting outmarked due to height..... Well maybe once by Lynch but WC would have still won if he wasnt out there we were so far off our game. Last week Cloke had Henda on him. Jolly had 206 and K on him.



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Kreuzer is not kicking goals and is only reasonably effective as a ruckman at the moment. 206 can't kick even when he has the opportunity. So we have no effective tall in the forward line. We do have a stop gap in T-Bird and a mid in Walker. That leaves us with one effective KPP in Henderson. And if he has a poor game or is injured. Ouch, no backup so can't swing him anywhere else. So I make my case for Austin again. Not because he is the next big thing but he would make us far more versatile.

The more I think about it, unless it buckets down tomorrow night, there will be a late inclusion.


I was responding to Blueboy Dan who said we had no talls in our line up.

I dont like the idea of adding tall players. Replacing a tall player we have with a taller player i dont mind providing the player is in form.
I dont believe Watson should play. Austin ahead of Davies sounds like a reasonable debate.

If you look at the team we put out when we were playing well to the team we have this week there is not much difference in the balance between tall and small. Davies being short being the only difference.

Rexy is onto it. The coaches are not relying on playing tall blokes to avoid being outmarked. That will rob us of the things we do well.
The coaches look to be trying to come up with tactics that can help us kill a marking contest or help us creat space in a pack for a carlton mark. Getting a spare man to the packs. THe way we us our bodies in marking contests. This will be better for us in the long run.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:06 am 
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We are killing Watson.


We are only killing watson if the communication at the club is poor.

If he's being told that the big games against the Pies that he's been in are a learning experience, and that the coach and MC are behind him, then I don't think it's killing him.

He knows clearly now the difference in pinpoint skills and effort required at the top flight, there's your reminder Watto, go back to the ants and work on those specific things, and be better for it.

It's all about communication.

I'd rather see what they have exposed Watson to by playing him on the big stage and giving him real responsibilities like kick ins and the like than what Pagan did to Josh Kennedy.


Well said :thumbsup:


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