I hope we're a bit mentally tougher than that.

Me too.

What about Pagan? His reputation at the time was at least the equal of three of those names on your list. IMO sacking a coach who gets us in the top four would be madness.

Under normal circumstances - yes.
But how much of the improvement is due to Ratten?
How much is due to Judd & the number one draft picks?
And how much is due to improving the calibre of assistant coaches? If they go will Ratten still be as effective with average assistants?

It's tough to isolate.

There was a reason I didn't mention Pagan. Different type of person with different skills that didn't adapt to the modern style of football. I didn't mention REPUTATION my comments were based upon experience to take a young list to the top.

People keep bringing up Top 4. There is a big difference between Top 4 and a Premiership. Just ask Eade & Lyon.

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Thing is with Pagan, he was at the club when we had zero resources and next to zero talent. Who else do you suggest would of done better?

If Britts hung around, do people think we would of been back challenging for a flag by 2005?

Clarko gets 3 year extension before the season ends.
Anyone think Swann is a chance to backflip & re-sign Ratts early?

Interesting to see all the Malthouse stories splashed across the Hun this week....

I think Ratts has done okay but I wouldn't look at giving him a contract till September 12th.

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Nah, sign him up October 2nd.
Don't want him getting distracted.

difference between ratten and others (eg.lyon, clarkson, eade etc) is that there is no need to re-sign him...simply because I don't believe he would be closely looked at by other clubs for the senior coaching role

IMO, that says a lot....

Who is a better developed player than 3 years ago and who has gone backwards?
We all want success but most importantly, I want to see our players develop and improve. That's the sign of a good coaching structure and a strong club culture.

Let's review our list and assess whether we have a quality system in place that promotes strong and consistent player development.

Murphy?
Gibbs?
Russell?
Yarran?
Hampson?
Bower?
Lucas?
Jamison?
Thornton? etc etc etc

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Damien Barrett on the Footy Show last night said that he believed that Ratten will be offered a new 2 year deal. He said that the board met earlier in the week.

Just on the ones you nominated

Murphy? becomming elite
Gibbs? getting better set some big task and has preformed well
Russell? good last year -stalled this year
Yarran? improved out of sight
Hampson? showing all the signs just needs to clunk them
Bower? gone backward most likely due to injury
Lucas? gone backward most likely due to injury
Jamison? improved out of sight
Thornton? this year was his best

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Just on the ones you nominated

Murphy? becomming elite
Gibbs? getting better set some big task and has preformed well
Russell? good last year -stalled this year
Yarran? improved out of sight
Hampson? showing all the signs just needs to clunk them
Bower? gone backward most likely due to injury
Lucas? gone backward most likely due to injury
Jamison? improved out of sight
Thornton? this year was his best

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I doubt anything would be offered before the end of the season inclusive of finals....

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Which leadership characteristics do you feel Ratts is missing, that some other coaches possess psych?

previous premiership coaches generally have developed a specific game style that quickly became a trend...

this game plan was generally revolutionary at the time in the sense that it was designed to overcome the previous premiers and suited to their team's specific strengths and weaknesses.

paul roos - contested footy which suited his hard nosed in and under team
mark thompson - high possession move the ball quickly through the corridor, designed to capitalise on his highly skilled (but not overly quick) midfield
alistar clarkson - clarko's cluster which was the initial zone set up, designed to trap the geelong movement
ross lyon (I KNOW he didn't win one but got very close !) - developed the zone but moved it forward and started the first press
m malthouse - countered the st kilda press by shifting the ball wide along the boundayr and then implementing an uber forward press

I am not specifically anti Brett Ratten...I think he has improved this year, becoming closer to the players etc, adopting the collingwood fwd press and has been more willing to make moves during a game

But I just don't believe he has the supreme tactical nous to climb the summit ! We can't simply follow Collingwood, we need to have a coach who will develop something different to overcome their strengths...

And I simply don't think Rats is the man.

Just on Malthouse. He always coached his teams to go around the boundary. WC did it under him and the magpies have played that way for years and years.
He took St Kildas press to a new level and worked with soccer coaches on ways to manipulate space.

All teams are pretty much aiming to do what the pies did with their own little twist. The hawks have their twist trying to deny the opposition the ball. Something we dabled with early in the year against the pies. Cats doing the press thing but still doing what they do when they get the chance and we have our own little subtleties.

I think the game is getting to a stage where the differences between gameplans of the top teams will be less and less.

I reckon the blues should start announcing it is as good as done so to get the media off their case. All along knowing and Ratts knowing he has to win a final. If he fails they should look a bit deeper into what is going wrong. This could spell the end for Ratts and you would hope if he goes a number of repeat offending players will also get traded off also.

Having said all that i reckon we will smash the 8th placed team and have a serious impact on the finals this year and Ratts will get a 2 year extension.

Ratts has improved the team every year. That is a statistical fact. No matter what the game plan is he still needs the players to implement it. The club is still working towards getting all those players on the park at the same time. That is also a fact. As Leigh Matthews suggested..............show some patience.

Regards Cazzesman

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