Some more slapstick from our favourite rag:



I can understand how it might be hard to put Matthew Warnock into best First Ruck of the week, especially if he has gout!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ian-collins-says-carltons-salary-cap-penalties-were-too-hard/story-e6frf9jf-1226093365695

Not a month goes by that this old chestnut doesn't get dragged back up.

What's the point of Collins or anyone commenting on it now? What's done is done.

With the acquisition of Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer and Kennedy who allowed Judd to come to the Blues, I'd say that combination gives a better crack at 17 than Goddard/Wells/Cooney/Walker would have, but I could be wrong.

According to the comments from the ill educated about Premiership 16 and how it should be handed back like the Storm. I somehow suggest this is completely different to that situation and not even in the same time frame when the breaches occured.

The illiterate and miserable flogs who always comment on these stories cant have it both ways.

The AFL's man of integrity Ken Wood thoroughly investigated us and put his evidence to the AFL Commission who thoroughly and unbiasedly evaluated it and found we were guilty of salary cap breaches which didnt include 1995 so they can all go #$%@ themselves as far as I am concerned.

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Isnt it weird that no-one is calling for Essendon*'s Premiership of 1993 to be taken off them when they WERE ACTUALLY FOUND GUILTY of breaching the Salary Cap rules during that period.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

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I agree with Collins, if only we had a strong president to fight the penalties.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

I remember Jabba "thoroughly evaluating" our case on TV with commentators during the London? exhibition match that year, before we had even been found guilty. Amazing how he knew the penalty even then. @#$%&! bags

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Absolutely spot on by Collo. Has any journo or AFL rep ever explained how they arrived at a fine of $930k? Clearly it was plucked from thin air and applicable only to Carlton. Maybe we should get over it, but an injustice to Carlton is an injustice forever.

Surely you are not referring to Elliott who was the guy who caused this whole thing? If there was one thing we should have learned from the Diesel Williams tribunal penalty court case it was that the court found basically that natural justice wasn't relevant, it is the AFL's comp and they can make any rules and penalties they like. Anyway, fight them with what? We were still way over the cap and had absolutely no money. The penalties were designed to destroy Carlton not punish us, but we did the crime.

We should never allow a club administartion to place us in such a parlous position again.

They should take the wooden spoon off us, because we were a million over when we "won' that.

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Green Shooter

It's been explained. The Carlton Football Club was fined $930,000 – made up of $872,424 for breaches of the 2001 salary cap and $57,576 suspended from season 2000 irregularities.

But most Carlton people believe the $930k is what stuffed us. They're wrong. I think that monetary punishment was fair. After all..we had had players on contracts that totaled $1.2m more than the then AFL salary cap of $5.9m allowed.

Sure, it's a whack - but it's something that Bruce Mathieson and others could have got to together and paid off (they had 12 months to do it) and the club pay the director's/wealthy supporters back with interest over a 4/5 year period.

What really stuffed us was the $8 million we owed to the bank from the construction of the Elliott and Legend stands at Princes Park, combined losses from the football club deficit of $3.896 million, and the social club posting a loss of $3.662 million. We were $13 million in debt. It was a really bad time to get a fine...and not be able to turn the paying list over in a normal fashion.



Agreed. But what still bemuses me is how a club went through all this financial turmoil - and the person who held the position of Accountant and Chief Financial Officer since 1994...is still in that position. Where else on planet earth does that happen? There has to some accountability. I know his grandfather is a legend, but come on.

We are far from being out of the woods. And to be honest, I cannot foresee a time over the next decade when there will not be some caution about our going concern issues - and until we can get ourselves into a positive net asset position, that will continue.

Doc, was it based on a formula, was the fine the equivalent amount we were over the cap? Were we over by $872,424 for the 2001 salary cap?

The AFL also had an agenda to move us from Princes Park (I agree we should have moved - but totally to the MCG but thats another story).

So extra screwing - plus not fixturing any of the interstate overflow games at Princes Park - were also included in our penalties.

Also other things like retrospectively changing the eligibility of the Priority Pick Rules to ensure we did not recieve picks 1 & 3 in the 2006 National Draft - were also done.

Because apparently there were some on the Commission who thought "they went easy on us".

Same bloke who allowed his mate to rip off consumers mercilesslly at the football for food and drink - and who thought nothing of this same bloke buying out "Mustard Catering" in Perth who had the sole contract for catering at Subiaco Oval - before the AFL stopped fixturing games at the WACA.

Same bloke would call this insider trading - but would only call it "nudge wink no worries mate" in this instance.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

THIS

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"I had to eat"

Who dat?

Jason Reddick is the CFO

we also have Darren Sacks as an accountant

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

who relaced Peter "Brown" Paperbags

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"I had to eat"

Sakcs darren?

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4311/newsid/118456/default.aspx

Whoosh!

The integrity of the competition isn't protected if the AFL have set the rules so the Lions, Swans, Suns and Giants can win premierships.

Collins would know a bit about it being a former AFL employee.

We were not $872,000 over the cap, the fine was based on either 4 or 4 1/2 times the breach. The AFL said that the payment of $115,000 to O'Reilly was net so they doubled it to allow for tax, so in effect about $220,000 over. Payments to Frazer Brown was never proven as he told them where to go. From my understanding the payments to Silvagni and Bradley were not in fact paid until after we we penalized.
So, we were fined and penalized this on the back of a one off payment of $115,000.

why does this shit need to be re hashed!!

can we lock the thread i have very bad flashbacks every time i am reminded of what happened on that [REDACTED] up night in 2002. possibly the worst night of my life!

Funnily enough Agro i tried to add that to the comments on the article by saying

"What a fantastic idea, institute the Melbourne Storm rule in the AFL. By the way do any of the ignorant folks posting comments about Carlton understand their breaches were for 1998-2001. Essendon* however should lose the 1993 premiership as they were in breach. Blues outright leaders on 16 premierships!"

unfortunately it wasnt published

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