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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:14 pm 
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ANY NEWS ON WAITE AND BROCK MCLEAN?

If recent MC form is to go by...

...injured, won't train all week but will be right to go on Saturday. :lol:


Seriously, no chance for either to get up. Have to be cautious with Waite and Brock struggled to walk off the ground last game.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:22 pm 
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Mil Hanna wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if we come out and play our best game for the season next week.

We're coming off a devastating loss and the Filth winning by 117 points just sets it up even more. The best thing about it is that the Filth won't worry trying to shut us down, they will just do their own thing. These are the situations we are best in because we can play like the hunter and not the hunted. The Bulldogs did their homework and it paid off big time.

I am going to the game regardless next weekend, so I really don't give a flower if I am being delusional. :lol:



I'm with Mil on this.
I reckon we can rebound ace them.

I'm just hoping the flogging of richmond straight after the WCE loss sets a pattern/rules regarding fighting back after mishaps, I'm hoping that was the main factor for such a great performance as opposed to richmonds general shitness

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEBOUNDERS cmon

and as for u pussies saying youre not going to go now coz you're sure we're going to be right royally trolloped, well thats just pissweak

we need strength in numbers at these filth clashes more than any other week! FRONT UP, no passengers


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:26 pm 
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Laguna Legend wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if we come out and play our best game for the season next week.

We're coming off a devastating loss and the Filth winning by 117 points just sets it up even more. The best thing about it is that the Filth won't worry trying to shut us down, they will just do their own thing. These are the situations we are best in because we can play like the hunter and not the hunted. The Bulldogs did their homework and it paid off big time.

I am going to the game regardless next weekend, so I really don't give a flower if I am being delusional. :lol:



I'm with Mil on this.
I reckon we can rebound ace them.

I'm just hoping the flogging of richmond straight after the WCE loss sets a pattern/rules regarding fighting back after mishaps, I'm hoping that was the main factor for such a great performance as opposed to richmonds general shitness

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEBOUNDERS cmon

and as for u pussies saying youre not going to go now coz you're sure we're going to be right royally trolloped, well thats just pissweak

we need strength in numbers at these filth clashes more than any other week! FRONT UP, no passengers


Got my ticket already so I'll be there, but will spend a bit more time in the Cricketer's pre game to help ease the pain :beer:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:33 pm 
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MIL wrote:
Laguna Legend wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if we come out and play our best game for the season next week.

We're coming off a devastating loss and the Filth winning by 117 points just sets it up even more. The best thing about it is that the Filth won't worry trying to shut us down, they will just do their own thing. These are the situations we are best in because we can play like the hunter and not the hunted. The Bulldogs did their homework and it paid off big time.

I am going to the game regardless next weekend, so I really don't give a flower if I am being delusional. :lol:



I'm with Mil on this.
I reckon we can rebound ace them.

I'm just hoping the flogging of richmond straight after the WCE loss sets a pattern/rules regarding fighting back after mishaps, I'm hoping that was the main factor for such a great performance as opposed to richmonds general shitness

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEBOUNDERS cmon

and as for u pussies saying youre not going to go now coz you're sure we're going to be right royally trolloped, well thats just pissweak

we need strength in numbers at these filth clashes more than any other week! FRONT UP, no passengers


Got my ticket already so I'll be there, but will spend a bit more time in the Cricketer's pre game to help ease the pain :beer:


Yes fair to say I'll be drinking heavily after the game either way!
Hope someone is working hard on Waite's groin this week!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:34 pm 
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@Carlton_FC Inj update: Scans today confirmed cartilage damage to Jarrad Waite's hip. Will see specialist tomorrow. Expected to miss 3-4 weeks.
http://twitter.com/Carlton_FC/status/90322452701384704

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No Carrots again this week either.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:52 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:53 pm 
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@Carlton_FC Inj update: Scans today confirmed cartilage damage to Jarrad Waite's hip. Will see specialist tomorrow. Expected to miss 3-4 weeks.
http://twitter.com/Carlton_FC/status/90322452701384704

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No Carrots again this week either.



There's cartilage in your hip?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:58 pm 
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ouch!

That hurts us with winnable games the 3 after the Pies.

Time to step up Matthew Watson!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:18 pm 
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We were winning games earlier in the year when we loaded up with Midfielders - We seem to have this complex that we must put in talls all over the place everyone calling for Casboult Setanta and Austin- get Curnow , Lucas- Maclean Okeefe and Touhy into the team and drop a couple of lumberers and run them off their feet until Waite and Jamo are good to go - Our mids are blowing up late in games get more in there and increase the midfield rotations otherwise in 2 to 3 weeks time we could be cursing the loss of a couple of good mids as it looks like Carrotts and Scotland are early casulties

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:45 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
We were winning games earlier in the year when we loaded up with Midfielders - We seem to have this complex that we must put in talls all over the place everyone calling for Casboult Setanta and Austin- get Curnow , Lucas- Maclean Okeefe and Touhy into the team and drop a couple of lumberers and run them off their feet until Waite and Jamo are good to go - Our mids are blowing up late in games get more in there and increase the midfield rotations otherwise in 2 to 3 weeks time we could be cursing the loss of a couple of good mids as it looks like Carrotts and Scotland are early casulties


Yes! Everytime we load up w talls we struggle. With zones, presses etc it is a running game. Two talls down back and two talls up fwd and a ruckman. The rest must be mobile!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:27 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We were winning games earlier in the year when we loaded up with Midfielders - We seem to have this complex that we must put in talls all over the place everyone calling for Casboult Setanta and Austin- get Curnow , Lucas- Maclean Okeefe and Touhy into the team and drop a couple of lumberers and run them off their feet until Waite and Jamo are good to go - Our mids are blowing up late in games get more in there and increase the midfield rotations otherwise in 2 to 3 weeks time we could be cursing the loss of a couple of good mids as it looks like Carrotts and Scotland are early casulties


Yes! Everytime we load up w talls we struggle. With zones, presses etc it is a running game. Two talls down back and two talls up fwd and a ruckman. The rest must be mobile!

You have to respond to quality height, and you also need to be able to respond to the challenges of height in defence without dogging your run.

So I have no problem with 2 tall forwards, 3 tall defenders & 2 rucks, so long as they can impact in midfield, run off HB or kick well into the the forward line. Kreuzer, Henderson, Bower, Laidler & Austin all have the attributes to do this, and all have shown this at senior level at some point.

The Adelaide game showed what happens if your disposal isn't on in midfield and you're scarce for talls in defence.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:29 pm 
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GAGF with the injuries already.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:31 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We were winning games earlier in the year when we loaded up with Midfielders - We seem to have this complex that we must put in talls all over the place everyone calling for Casboult Setanta and Austin- get Curnow , Lucas- Maclean Okeefe and Touhy into the team and drop a couple of lumberers and run them off their feet until Waite and Jamo are good to go - Our mids are blowing up late in games get more in there and increase the midfield rotations otherwise in 2 to 3 weeks time we could be cursing the loss of a couple of good mids as it looks like Carrotts and Scotland are early casulties


Yes! Everytime we load up w talls we struggle. With zones, presses etc it is a running game. Two talls down back and two talls up fwd and a ruckman. The rest must be mobile!


Interesting point. Collingwood typically carry 2 tall defenders and 2 tall forwards plus leigh brown as 2nd ruck sometime 3rd tall forward.

We are carrying 2 tall defenders (Hendo/Bower) and one tall forward plus our resting ruck. (note I don't count Walker a tall). The Collingwood press is very effective. I suspect they are fitter than most teams and that gives them the ability to carry the extra talls. I figure we need two tall forwards to compete strongly for a flag. Waite up and running is one. We need a second effective tall forward!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:52 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We were winning games earlier in the year when we loaded up with Midfielders - We seem to have this complex that we must put in talls all over the place everyone calling for Casboult Setanta and Austin- get Curnow , Lucas- Maclean Okeefe and Touhy into the team and drop a couple of lumberers and run them off their feet until Waite and Jamo are good to go - Our mids are blowing up late in games get more in there and increase the midfield rotations otherwise in 2 to 3 weeks time we could be cursing the loss of a couple of good mids as it looks like Carrotts and Scotland are early casulties


Yes! Everytime we load up w talls we struggle. With zones, presses etc it is a running game. Two talls down back and two talls up fwd and a ruckman. The rest must be mobile!


Exactly Phycho. Thats what i was on about before the WC games with all that team balance stuff. We need the run. We need to rotate fresh running players around the ball so we can do the things we do well for longer. The things that win us games.
Even playing one extra tall is enough to leave you close to a man down.

We dont win games by having a bloke take big marks up forward. We win when we have pressure around the ball. Only letting it out on our terms.

We have to pick a fresh running team this week.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:00 pm 
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club29 wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We were winning games earlier in the year when we loaded up with Midfielders - We seem to have this complex that we must put in talls all over the place everyone calling for Casboult Setanta and Austin- get Curnow , Lucas- Maclean Okeefe and Touhy into the team and drop a couple of lumberers and run them off their feet until Waite and Jamo are good to go - Our mids are blowing up late in games get more in there and increase the midfield rotations otherwise in 2 to 3 weeks time we could be cursing the loss of a couple of good mids as it looks like Carrotts and Scotland are early casulties


Yes! Everytime we load up w talls we struggle. With zones, presses etc it is a running game. Two talls down back and two talls up fwd and a ruckman. The rest must be mobile!


Exactly Phycho. Thats what i was on about before the WC games with all that team balance stuff. We need the run. We need to rotate fresh running players around the ball so we can do the things we do well for longer. The things that win us games.
Even playing one extra tall is enough to leave you close to a man down.

We dont win games by having a bloke take big marks up forward. We win when we have pressure around the ball. Only letting it out on our terms.

We have to pick a fresh running team this week.

you're right 'We dont win games by having a bloke take big marks up forward'
we win games by having big blokes contest and get the ball to ground advantageously for the mini men.
theyre just as important as ever regardless of the fact that its our small-mids that are kicking the scores


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:06 pm 
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TKWC wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We were winning games earlier in the year when we loaded up with Midfielders - We seem to have this complex that we must put in talls all over the place everyone calling for Casboult Setanta and Austin- get Curnow , Lucas- Maclean Okeefe and Touhy into the team and drop a couple of lumberers and run them off their feet until Waite and Jamo are good to go - Our mids are blowing up late in games get more in there and increase the midfield rotations otherwise in 2 to 3 weeks time we could be cursing the loss of a couple of good mids as it looks like Carrotts and Scotland are early casulties


Yes! Everytime we load up w talls we struggle. With zones, presses etc it is a running game. Two talls down back and two talls up fwd and a ruckman. The rest must be mobile!


Interesting point. Collingwood typically carry 2 tall defenders and 2 tall forwards plus leigh brown as 2nd ruck sometime 3rd tall forward.

We are carrying 2 tall defenders (Hendo/Bower) and one tall forward plus our resting ruck. (note I don't count Walker a tall). The Collingwood press is very effective. I suspect they are fitter than most teams and that gives them the ability to carry the extra talls. I figure we need two tall forwards to compete strongly for a flag. Waite up and running is one. We need a second effective tall forward!!


Where does Thornton fit into that?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:12 pm 
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I count walker as a tall. He does all the things Dawes does. COntested marks, leading marks, brings the ball to gound when out of position and applies pressure acts. He does it better than Dawes and he can provide a chopout onball at the end of quarters giving us even more run.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:20 pm 
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Laguna Legend wrote:

We have to pick a fresh running team this week.

you're right 'We dont win games by having a bloke take big marks up forward'
we win games by having big blokes contest and get the ball to ground advantageously for the mini men.
theyre just as important as ever regardless of the fact that its our small-mids that are kicking the scores[/quote]

I agree LL. Walker Waite (waites replacement) and the resting ruck is enough to bring the ball down.

Two talls down back and a ruck should round out our talls.

The press and causing turnovers from pressure is where our score comes from. The repeat 50's. We compromise that when we start picking extra talls.


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