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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:28 pm 
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Disappointing game. Hunger wasn't there, team looked flat and wanted to play "bruise free" football! Smashed in the clearances and no run and carry at all!
Ratts...Why did we not move Henderson forward and Bower back? Why?


Probably bec they don't rate PB as a defender, I mean why else would you pick him??

Wonder if they will crucify young Watson again. Got smashed against Pies then dropped, confidence shatered for weeks, might they bring him back for Pies and have the kid's cobnfidence smashed again?

MC doing a great job lately...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:31 pm 
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kezza - the first 50 wasn't there and not in the spirit of the game. The 2nd was almost there if you were going to get technical. But if the 2nd WAS there, there's some problems with our game.

I posted on the match thread that I thought we were lucky to be that far in front. We weren't playing all that well.

Maybe the first one was lucky but the 2nd one against Rob Murphy was there, he took about 6 steps over the mark as the umpire was telling him to come back.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:31 pm 
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I dont like Gibbs playing as an inside mid. Having him just slam the ball on his boot out of packs is just a waste. Get him back to half back where he has time to use his skills. There are plenty of players on our list that move the ball blindly forward from packs on our list.


I agree Club, we look out best with Gibbs in the back half. Make Curnow's inclusion super important.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:36 pm 
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Gibbs did the job on Pendle last time so maybe he'll be in the middle again....Keogh can go on another rant.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:44 pm 
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Been out for a few hours and still haven't calmed down.

Absolutely filthy at our effort today.

And only 2 weeks after our 'wake up call' against the Eagles.

So much for our system/pressure and depth. Getting seriously exposed right now.

Both WCE and the Bullies set themselves for us and we simply couldn't cope. Making up the numbers on current form.

So, so disappointing.

People can mitigate away but a season full of promise is fast going south. That's my feelings right now.


Yesterday there were no mitigating circumstances. At least the Eagles were a top 6 side. I'll bet North set themselves up for Coll. The Pies crushed their spirit early. We need to play sides like WB as though they're favourites, and absolutely maul them at all opportunities. Once we smash their resolve, we can play anyway we can onward to a victory. Really gut wrenching loss for mine.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:54 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/370846/invoke/Default.aspx

What the hell happened there? :? :banghead:


We were stiil in the game scoreboard wise at this juncture and head a 3 on 1 further upfield. Noi idea what Mitch was thinking. Anyway there was numerous times especially coming out defence we had men in the middle did not have the courage to kick to them and continued to kick long to contests on the boundary outside 50.

This team is still developing and is about 5 players short of being a genuine chance. The improvement is there from last year. But the depth still isn't. Carlton's top side 100% fit playinmg well is probably 5th best list in the league. But when we lose a few key players the depth is not there yet.

Houlihan's days in the top squad may be numbered as may Aaron Joseph's. I think we need to try and maintain 5th spot for the finals. However that may well be against the Bulldogs. I believe the Eagles will pip us to 4th.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:59 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Gibbs did the job on Pendle last time so maybe he'll be in the middle again....Keogh can go on another rant.



Sorry Effes, you are dead wrong. Keogh's rants about Gibbs are deserved. Unless he has a specific role (Goodes Pendles etc) he is just a serviceable player. He is not proactive at all. Tell me if EVER he has imposed himself on a game, taken us out of a hole and been a major factor in us winning a game (when he hasn't been given a specific role)?
Matthew Hogg did a bloody good tagging job every week as well......we need more from Gibbs

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:11 pm 
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I can't recall Gibbs playing at all yesterday..........but he did obviously.... no impact; but he wasn't alone.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:15 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Gibbs did the job on Pendle last time so maybe he'll be in the middle again....Keogh can go on another rant.



Sorry Effes, you are dead wrong. Keogh's rants about Gibbs are deserved. Unless he has a specific role (Goodes Pendles etc) he is just a serviceable player. He is not proactive at all. Tell me if EVER he has imposed himself on a game, taken us out of a hole and been a major factor in us winning a game (when he hasn't been given a specific role)?
Matthew Hogg did a bloody good tagging job every week as well......we need more from Gibbs

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:21 pm 
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I thought Gibbs was one of our better players yesterday

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:24 pm 
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When the time came to change the course of the game in our favour, we had no one who could take on that role. Juddy has done it in the past but can't be asked to do this all the time. We need more game changers.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:31 pm 
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OK......I just checked Gibb's stats.........30 possessions..........I'm amazed; although I must confess I had my head in my hands a fair bit in frustration, and must've missed them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:45 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Just on the relay the "mark" to Ward in the 3rd quarter. If i could see he didnt hold it from the 3rd level why cant an umpire who is 5 metres away see it wasnt a mark?

Because half the time they are guessing

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:58 pm 
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Yeah Gibbs had some good stats yesterday, but I really don't think he played that well. i thought there were a handful of times he should have gone harder at the ball.

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OUT: AJ, Houla, Waite
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:18 pm 
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They've got a superior midfield that has finally re-captured their finals form. Griffen, Boyd, Cooney, Cross, Higgins, Murphy, Gilbee, Giansiracusa etc. is a quality group of onballers and ball users. They bat deeper and have more class than Carlton ATM. Sherman plus two young guns in Wallis and Liberatore weren't selected. I expected this sort of result after seeing how clean Higgins and Murphy were against Melbourne. As Marc Murphy said in today's press conference, our forward pressure wasn't there with these two plus Wood rebounding the ball.

Maybe we can ask them for Lake. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:20 pm 
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Gibbs got plenty of it but wasn't flashy and he turned it over a few times.

Not the worst on the ground, just not the best either. He was fabulous against Richmond but yesterday so-so.

He does find his way through traffic pretty well though.

Not sure whether to wonder if the wheels are falling off or whether this is a mid season whatever but it feels much better when you're winning.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:59 pm 
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Im Really not sure why they dropped zach2e after a 100 point win against the tigers and considering Carrazzo was injured he should have come in instead of A.Joseph.
It seems that once the boys get used the structure it just works no matter experience etc
AJ played quite well but not sure he really did the required thing when he had the ball ie kicked to right place?
As for Hoops he looked lost and confused yesterday ?

Only the coaching staff would know though :)


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:11 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Some Carlton supporters are absolute goldfish. :screwy:

Goldfish have actually proven to have a decent memory; urban myth. ;)

IMO, Boyd, Cross & Cooney are great players because they win their own ball and either break the lines or open things up for their lesser lights (the rest). They are not superior in any area except their contested workhorses.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:14 pm 
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Gibbs had some poor receives where he was put under pressure, but he did hatch the footy a bit. He seems confused about how to attack his role when he's in midfield. Didn't have that problem as a junior.

Bryce, might I suggest you get the ball, and open up the game with your vision and passing? Doesn't have to be a 45-60 m lace out pass, just has to be intelligent and timely.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:30 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Just on the relay the "mark" to Ward in the 3rd quarter. If i could see he didnt hold it from the 3rd level why cant an umpire who is 5 metres away see it wasnt a mark?


That was the 3rd of the 3 goals gifted to them for the term.
T-Bird had a clear (the clearest all day) 50 metre penalty denied when he took a grab
on the wing.He should have been awarded 50m and shooting at goal to put us in front. Instead, he bombs it in long, they rebound and go coast to coast for a Cooney goal.

Than the farcical hands in the back decision against Hoola where the resulting play led to another dogs goal.If you look at the maggots decision in the context of the Barry Hall non hands in the back free earlier in the match the decision was even more laughable.

Than the cream on the cake with the Ward "mark".

We were below par yesterday but the umpires in the 3rd quarter did their best to ensure
we had no chance of stealing it despite our poor performance.


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