Waite should not have played
We rolled the dice and lost on that one
We had Bower in the side doing SFA and he could have gone to Hall
We had Walker who was having a shocker and has a history of good performances on bigger blokes
Fact is that when we got the ball we didnt get it into our forward fifty because we had no targets except for a few midgets.
Just like last year.
The game was slipping from our grasp and our coaching staff did nothing about this faact.
We had an injured Scotland in the goal square for about ten minutes of the last quarter.

So we stick to our structures They are set in stone.

Your joking are you
Its not the reason we lost but there is no way your going to win a game unless you try to fix the problem
He needed to roll the dice and he didnt

Happy birthday Ratts

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I presume that you were replying to me.

If you honestly believe that we would have won that game if Ratts had of moved Hendo forward then we were watching different games.

One point that I agree with you 100% is that we can't afford and shouldn't play players that are not fit. Waite and Walker should not have played, this may mean that our forward line is severely short, but it would at least have given us a look at how Levi performs at AFL level or even Zach could play forward. More than likely they would get smashed, but it's still a better proposition than losing Waite for weeks with injury, particularly with the Filth this week.

If i believed the things Keogh believes would have worked and helped change the result then i would be right there with him on the "Ratts doesnt cut it" after loss band wagon...... but seriously, the old full back to full forward trick is for days past and far from imaginative. In fact such a move to me would lack imagination and be sign of poor coaching and losing sight of the big picture.

Also the coaches would have Henda primed for a couple of big months as a backman. We need him there. He is our best option to cover Jamo. They are not going to switch it up the moment the mids decide to stop running hard (or are not fit enought to pull off the game plan).

Ratts was left rueing the lack of run from the stoppages both ways. They killed us on the spread and stiffled our spread. That made our ball movement shotty at best. The dogs did it well.
They were mostly responsible for the handball to kick ratio being un carlton like.

I agree we took poor risks at the selection table though.

Does anyone read my posts
I said playing hendo up forward probably wouldnt have changed the result.
In saying that playing an injured Scotland at FF when your 20 points down in the last quarter is staggeringly dumb when you have lost your key marking forward who had a dodgy groin and didnt train allweek and shouldnt have played which is dumb as well.
I dont sit infront of the computer waiting for us to have a barry Crocker then unleash but yesterday its was amateur hour big time.
Did anyone watch the game. How many times when we had the ball and we looked up and saw Betts, Gartlett, Walker. Thornton? or nobody.
Tell me who in our side has the size to present themselves as a forward marking target
Who
Hendo who ratten refused to move
Kreuzer whom had to play in the ruck more than he should of because we Warnock was getting stiched up by hudson who incidentally has struggled to get a game.

This club makes dumb decisions and doesnt learn enough from their mistakes.
just about everyone on here agrees that McLean for number 11 was a mistake. If he was to play surely yesterday with Carrots out and half the side supposedly injured was the day

I reckon the Warnock deal is almost just as bad. Last year I weent to the Werribee game where Warnock was shit but Jacobs was dropped for Warnock the following week. We were always going to lose Sam after that.
So it doesnt help ratts cause when he has players who dont rise to the occasion when it really matters. It doesnt aid your flexibility. After Waite went down all we had were midgets in the forward 50 or nobody. Our structures broke down and it wasnt good enough.
Still yesterday reminds me so much of last year.

McLean, Bower and Hendo are not our answers - Mclean and Bower never will be and Hendo needs a lot more time to learn the game.

I think Warnock definitely has a future but we should have structured up so that Kreuzer was a KPF and Sam and 206 shared rucking duties. Letting Jacobs go was a massive mistake. But we must move on and make sure that those who made those mistakes don't make them again.

If yesterday was a sign of our depth and game plan when challenged - we're only JUST a top 8 side.

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But Club` do you really believe that the coaches thought Bower was going to be a viable option as a forward last night?
I think they had to try Hendo forward once Waite went down. Our forward line was just so stagnent and the Dogs backmen just marked everything.

We gambled on playing too many underdone players - simple as that.

Lack of physical prep leads to a lack of confidence leads to a lack of system and in this day and age that only leads to tears against ANY opposition.

MC must learn from this and only play fit players. This, at least, gives them a chance to run the game out. The white flag went up early yesterday which was terribly disappointing.

If Ratts and the MC don't learn from that then we have a problem.

Yep - 40 today.

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Personally I don’t think moving Henda forward would have made a difference. The problems were elsewhere and glaringly obvious. No real need to move a bloke who you are trying to turn into a defender as that would be losing the big picture vision. He would be getting trained all week on defending. The coaches would be trying to convince him that that is where he is needed and telling him that is his spot if he wants it. Would be poor coaching in my opinion if we moved him forward at the first sign of trouble in the middle of the ground.
Henda did a good job on hall although hall got a few opportunist goals.

We did have a terrible forward line once waite went down. The dogs did their homework on us and adjusted their game in a way i have feared a team doing all year. Teams usually go for the "lets outsize them" angle and that plays into our hands. Dogs pretty much went the opposite and bettered our run (possible due to us picking injured players). They found out where our score comes from and stopped that happening.
That is why kicking to players near the boundary become a better option as that was our best chance at getting a forward 50 stoppage and set up our press.

17 points down at 3 quarter time and the fwd line-up at the beginning of the 4th read:

BOWER, THORNTON, SCOTLAND
ROBINSON, GARLETT

???????????????WTF WTF WTF WTF

3 marks inside 50 against WCE 2 weeks ago, and havent checked the stats but pretty sure there were only 2or 3 yesterday aswell.
surely this has to almost rate as the worst in the league for inside 50 marks?

waite would be the most obvious answer but he actually tends to take the vast majority of his grabs on the 50 or up on the flank.

as far as I see it, Hendo is actually the ONLY answer at this stage.

lack of marks from Kruze/Warnock spending probably upwards of half the entire game in the goalsquare (when combined) is a serious issue

this should be called the much ado about nothing thread ... sure I was disappointed with yesterday's game but did anyone really believe this was our year ?? ... too much bathwater being drunk imho

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No, but when you analyse it, there is no clear reason why it shouldn't be apart from the old chestnut that some other sides are more 'advanced' than us. This was more Ratten's year to show himself rather than Carlton's and the jury is still very much out. However, I'm still sick of the fatalistic outlook we eventually settle on whenever we experience a disappointing loss when, the truth is, Carlton is ultimately responsible for it's own destiny, especially when you consider the help we've had in terms of draft position over the years.

My gut instincts said we'd lose on Sunday but my head said otherwise, I'm mighty sick of the discrepancy.

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The coaching box cant be accused of not having an imagination. From memory in the last Scotland had a couple of shots, thornton one and Garlett one. Walker probably rotated with bower and got a goal so they were not that far off the mark.

The problems were between the arcs. Dogs playing out of their skins applying intense pressure had us off our axis. Far to much handballing.

The thing is, the Dogs had us covered short, tried to force us long where they also had us covered, but every time we worked the ball in the 25 to 35 m range and kept ticking over possession, they looked at sea.

Why wasn't this exploited? We've picked up on it other matches this season.

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Don't forget Ratts special guest tonite On The Couch.
Happy Birthday Coach.

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Turned to my mate at three qtr time and said, surely Henderson will be moved forward and Bower onto Hall. That was echoed by many discussions around us at the time.

The most baffling non move of the year...

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