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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:01 pm 
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blueman wrote:
Ratten is decent, honest and very good - but events conspire against him.

So the new young coach is the one that brings us the 17th.

He will appear to most as a rather uninspired choice.

But he will have special qualities that are at first, only known to a few.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:05 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Read the post carefully. I said

1 There are better coaches available as head coach
2 He has improved so I give him credit
3 the role of the assistants is crucial to the teams success

In other words if we didnt have Brown and Richardson and the mis wasnt right we would be captain cactus and wanting Ratten's head.
You guys who are quick to pull my posts apart asks yourselves the question

Would have Essendon* won on Saturday night without McCarthy and Thompson in the box.
Answer no. Which begs the obvious inference.
and since you all missed the point
HERE IT IS IN CAPITALS
HOW MUCH EFFECT DOES THE SENIOR COACH HAVE ON THE PEFORMANCE OF THE TEAM

from the article in the Age it is obvious that Ratt's role has diminished and therefore we have improved.
Ratts is a good bloke and he has enthusiasm for the job which rubs off on his players.But he isnt up to it in many other areas. Credit goes to Richardson and co.
so cop that club 29
Life isnt as simple as you make it out.

And dane great to see you have a sense of humour. I am very different in reallife to the person you think I am as well.

And the only 3 good things to come out of Adelaide are
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2 The Hill Top Hoods
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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:49 pm 
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I agree with Keogh. Ratten is a good average coach. He isn't an A grader who is capable of taking us to premiership.
That's my opinion and I hope I am wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:13 pm 
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an accurate assessment.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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How many A grade coaches are there?

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:57 pm 
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tonight was a great example
With all but gone, Ratten didnt try something out of the box.
henderson to FF bower to Hall
Change the side around a bit. Do something
Sometimes a coach needs to do this.
When faced with a game that isnt going to plan , he doesnt have the answers.
No imagination


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:01 pm 
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We werent outcoached.We were outplayed.It wasnt the bruises that was the problem,it was the pressure.Our players couldnt handle it.Simple as that.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:12 pm 
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keogh wrote:
tonight was a great example
With all but gone, Ratten didnt try something out of the box.
henderson to FF bower to Hall
Change the side around a bit. Do something
Sometimes a coach needs to do this.
When faced with a game that isnt going to plan , he doesnt have the answers.
No imagination

Bullshit. He had Bower up forward, then Thornton up forward (albeit late).

Garlett at stoppages, Yarran up forward. Robbo got a go out of the square up forward. Houlihan injected into midfield with Scotland going to a lead-up HF role.

He had some ideas, some of them were good, some of them were stupid but don't say he had no imagination. Absolute bullshit.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:26 pm 
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blueman wrote:
Ratten is decent, honest and very good - but events conspire against him.

So the new young coach is the one that brings us the 17th.

He will appear to most as a rather uninspired choice.

But he will have special qualities that are at first, only known to a few.


So todays result confirms it wont be Ratts?

Maybe Blueman is right, maybe we don't win 17 until 2068.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:35 pm 
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Wait and see how things turn out with Ratten's contract.

The new coach is chosen following issues that occur post season.

After a slow start, he wins a flag in his first year from a low spot in the final 8.

The results of the last 6 games are critical

But this achievement gives him a celebrity status in the football world.

From my point of view, if Ratten stays - the 17th flag might be a bit further away from us in time.

But this shouldnt be taken as any dislike I might have of him as a coach.

Ratten is good as a coach and he is Carlton through and through.

However, football is sometimes a cruel and rather unjust business.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:37 pm 
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Ratten tried plenty but the most glaring he didn't, why?
This is the one question burning within me tonight. Why not move Hendo forward and Bower back?
He tried plenty with not much working though. Both Thornton & Bower up forward. Kruezer & Warnock in the square deep. Smalls Gartlett, Simmo, Betts ... deeper than normal, he tried plenty except the ONE I expect. He must have his reasons but I wish I knew what it was.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:38 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
keogh wrote:
tonight was a great example
With all but gone, Ratten didnt try something out of the box.
henderson to FF bower to Hall
Change the side around a bit. Do something
Sometimes a coach needs to do this.
When faced with a game that isnt going to plan , he doesnt have the answers.
No imagination

Bullshit. He had Bower up forward, then Thornton up forward (albeit late).

Garlett at stoppages, Yarran up forward. Robbo got a go out of the square up forward. Houlihan injected into midfield with Scotland going to a lead-up HF role.

He had some ideas, some of them were good, some of them were stupid but don't say he had no imagination. Absolute bullshit.


Correct weight Jim...............Ratten tried every trick in the book.The Dogs were relentless and our players couldnt handle it.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:39 pm 
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blueman wrote:
From my point of view, if Ratten stays - the 17th flag might be a bit further away from us in time.




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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:57 pm 
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Free will means that everyone and everything changes,

Likely events are just that - likely - but not forgone conclusions.

While nothing is set in stone, there are some outcomes that are more likely than others because of the fact that humans continually repeat certain behaviours.

In relation to a Carlton flag - I am quietly confident of a 17th cup soon.

We need to remember that the 2012 grand final is only about 32 or 33 matches (including the rest of 2011 and any finals matches we feature in ) as well as a preseason away from us in time.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:08 pm 
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blueman wrote:
an accurate assessment.


Really? nightcrawler is going to be the new coach? You're deluded!

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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nightcrawler wrote:
blueman wrote:
Ratten is decent, honest and very good - but events conspire against him.

So the new young coach is the one that brings us the 17th.

He will appear to most as a rather uninspired choice.

But he will have special qualities that are at first, only known to a few.


It's me, isn't it?



ooh, ooh I know


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:28 am 
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blueman wrote:
Wait and see how things turn out with Ratten's contract.

The new coach is chosen following issues that occur post season.

After a slow start, he wins a flag in his first year from a low spot in the final 8.

The results of the last 6 games are critical

But this achievement gives him a celebrity status in the football world.

From my point of view, if Ratten stays - the 17th flag might be a bit further away from us in time.

But this shouldnt be taken as any dislike I might have of him as a coach.

Ratten is good as a coach and he is Carlton through and through.

However, football is sometimes a cruel and rather unjust business.


YAWN :screwy:

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:55 am 
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The move he didnt make was Bower or Walker to FB and hendo to FF after Waite was subbed off
Disgraceful that the club had no big body marking target in the FFifty

Bower on a forward flank. What a joke

he made moves that were stupid or as in the past too late. The coaches in the box should hang themselves in shame as well

It was obvious within the first 5 minutes we hadnt come to play and they had.

its a tough situation for a coach to be in and the players and the flower who allowed some of the players to play who were not fit should take more responsibility for the loss.
But the ciaching staff made the wrong moves at the wrong times.

Sign this guy for another 2 years
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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:19 am 
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keogh wrote:
The move he didnt make was Bower or Walker to FB and hendo to FF after Waite was subbed off
Disgraceful that the club had no big body marking target in the Fifty



A good coach doesn't loose sight of the main goal and to me that is going deep into finals

Yes he could have moved Hendo forward, but if the plan is to see if Hendo can take a tall defensive post then he has to play there regardless of the result.

I understand the anger that we all have after the loss, but if we are ever going to improve, then we have to keep to the plans and see how the players respond when oppositions put the heat on. We clearly failed with that aspect of the game last night, but the players and coaching staff will review the tapes and get a better understanding of how to address the weaknesses.

To be quite honest, the one issue that we have had since we lost Fev is that we haven't got anyone to replace his position. The recruiting staff did make plans for this when they recruited Kennedy, but deals had to be done and this was a price we had to pay. Until we can recruit a big pack crashing forward that can give us a better forward entry when under pressure then we will continue to struggle when opposition players put our mids under huge pressure when kicking into our F50.


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