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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:16 am 
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I think you are wrong regardless.
:lol: :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:22 am 
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Wouldnt expect anything else from you :lol:

Thing is Dane, you avator you have is of a comedian who thought well outside the stock standard box and challenged some theories on life that were set in stone. Unlike the one eyed supporter of the Blues that I infer from your post on TC that you are.
For your sake I hope you didnt actually mean that last comment, otherwise you have some problems


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:32 pm 
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The article in the Age a few Fridays ago was very interesting.
Ratten's job has not changed in name. Head coach.
But his role has diminished. His deficincies as a Head Coach were highlighted. Sure he has improved as a Head Coach , but to me the involvement of Richardson and Brown has been a major factor in our improvement as a team.

I will always maintain that There are better coaches out there than Brett Ratten, but the club's review was excellent and the new appointments have made the biggest difference.

What has changed and will continue to evolve is the Head Coaches' role and the assistants.

Like a good marriage one has to compliment the other. Ratten has failings as a coach, but the assistants make up the slack.

Ironically it was Alan Richardson I wanted as a coach at the club. Kind of got my wish. The mix is right.

Just like Sticks deficincies are compensated by the Pratt presence.

If we win the 17th, I am sure a few of you posters will be asking me to say I was wrong.
To some degree yes, but some degree no.
Bottom line though is we seem to have the right mix at the moment


It's almost as if football's a team game.

(Not really having a go ... there's just a ridiculous amount of talk about one position at the club.)


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:04 pm 
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Completely irrelevant to the thread, but

keogh wrote:
you avator

'your avatar'

I've long given up picking out spelling mistakes, but you've made this one repeatedly over the journey AND you say you're a teacher, so I'm doing it for the greater good. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:09 pm 
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keogh wrote:

Like a good marriage one has to compliment the other.


I am fortunate that my wife buys me my clothes and tells me what I am doing today, when I should pick up the kids and when I should be home.

Without her I would have nothing to do.

My life would be directionless.

Like a boat without a rudder.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:17 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The article in the Age a few Fridays ago was very interesting.
Ratten's job has not changed in name. Head coach.
But his role has diminished. His deficincies as a Head Coach were highlighted. Sure he has improved as a Head Coach , but to me the involvement of Richardson and Brown has been a major factor in our improvement as a team.

I will always maintain that There are better coaches out there than Brett Ratten, but the club's review was excellent and the new appointments have made the biggest difference.

What has changed and will continue to evolve is the Head Coaches' role and the assistants.

Like a good marriage one has to compliment the other. Ratten has failings as a coach, but the assistants make up the slack.

Ironically it was Alan Richardson I wanted as a coach at the club. Kind of got my wish. The mix is right.

Just like Sticks deficincies are compensated by the Pratt presence.

If we win the 17th, I am sure a few of you posters will be asking me to say I was wrong.
To some degree yes, but some degree no.
Bottom line though is we seem to have the right mix at the moment


I dont care where Ratts gets his information from. A book, past experiences, another person (Richardson), another team or comes up with it himself. His use of the information is all that counts and as long as he is using it to take Carlton forward I am happy.

If he guides us to a flag then Keogh you were wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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I saw 'The Avator.'
Thought Kate sucked as the great katherine Hepburn..but it seems a lot of people thought she was FAB.

FWIW...Isn't it great when a man knows his limitations..and works to strengthen those weaknesses.
Even if you have a bunch of talented directors and assistants, you must have the respect of those people and your players to make it into a cohesive whole.
Chemistry is everything.

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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But we'll never get anywhere with Ratts coaching on the bench :mad:

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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Megaman wrote:
But we'll never get anywhere with Ratts coaching on the bench :mad:



Maybe we should........


oh..nevermind. :razz:

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:04 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Wouldnt expect anything else from you :lol:

Thing is Dane, you avator you have is of a comedian who thought well outside the stock standard box and challenged some theories on life that were set in stone. Unlike the one eyed supporter of the Blues that I infer from your post on TC that you are.
For your sake I hope you didnt actually mean that last comment, otherwise you have some problems



Regardless of the argument, you would be surprised by the amount of times you will see someone on a forum who's implied personality contrasts markedly with the image they wish to portray with their avatar. It's like as if they are in denial or totally miss the point of something. It's uncanny!

Having said that, I wouldn't have a clue who that was in Dane's avatar, he looks a bit like my cousin, though. :sly:

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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club29 wrote:
keogh wrote:
The article in the Age a few Fridays ago was very interesting.
Ratten's job has not changed in name. Head coach.
But his role has diminished. His deficincies as a Head Coach were highlighted. Sure he has improved as a Head Coach , but to me the involvement of Richardson and Brown has been a major factor in our improvement as a team.

I will always maintain that There are better coaches out there than Brett Ratten, but the club's review was excellent and the new appointments have made the biggest difference.

What has changed and will continue to evolve is the Head Coaches' role and the assistants.

Like a good marriage one has to compliment the other. Ratten has failings as a coach, but the assistants make up the slack.

Ironically it was Alan Richardson I wanted as a coach at the club. Kind of got my wish. The mix is right.

Just like Sticks deficincies are compensated by the Pratt presence.

If we win the 17th, I am sure a few of you posters will be asking me to say I was wrong.
To some degree yes, but some degree no.
Bottom line though is we seem to have the right mix at the moment


I dont care where Ratts gets his information from. A book, past experiences, another person (Richardson), another team or comes up with it himself. His use of the information is all that counts and as long as he is using it to take Carlton forward I am happy.

If he guides us to a flag then Keogh you were wrong.


No one person will be responsible for winning the next flag, it will be a collective effort.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:12 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
club29 wrote:
keogh wrote:
The article in the Age a few Fridays ago was very interesting.
Ratten's job has not changed in name. Head coach.
But his role has diminished. His deficincies as a Head Coach were highlighted. Sure he has improved as a Head Coach , but to me the involvement of Richardson and Brown has been a major factor in our improvement as a team.

I will always maintain that There are better coaches out there than Brett Ratten, but the club's review was excellent and the new appointments have made the biggest difference.

What has changed and will continue to evolve is the Head Coaches' role and the assistants.

Like a good marriage one has to compliment the other. Ratten has failings as a coach, but the assistants make up the slack.

Ironically it was Alan Richardson I wanted as a coach at the club. Kind of got my wish. The mix is right.

Just like Sticks deficincies are compensated by the Pratt presence.

If we win the 17th, I am sure a few of you posters will be asking me to say I was wrong.
To some degree yes, but some degree no.
Bottom line though is we seem to have the right mix at the moment


I dont care where Ratts gets his information from. A book, past experiences, another person (Richardson), another team or comes up with it himself. His use of the information is all that counts and as long as he is using it to take Carlton forward I am happy.

If he guides us to a flag then Keogh you were wrong.


No one person will be responsible for winning the next flag, it will be a collective effort.


Communist!

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:27 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Wouldnt expect anything else from you :lol:

Thing is Dane, you avator you have is of a comedian who thought well outside the stock standard box and challenged some theories on life that were set in stone. Unlike the one eyed supporter of the Blues that I infer from your post on TC that you are.
For your sake I hope you didnt actually mean that last comment, otherwise you have some problems


It was a joke!

As far as Bill Hicks goes I don't think my appreciation of his work is relevant to my view of Carlton.

Can I assume you support Adelaide based on your avatar?

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:58 pm 
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keogh wrote:
If we win the 17th, I am sure a few of you posters will be asking me to say I was wrong.........


As if!

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:09 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The article in the Age a few Fridays ago was very interesting.
Ratten's job has not changed in name. Head coach.
But his role has diminished. His deficincies as a Head Coach were highlighted. Sure he has improved as a Head Coach , but to me the involvement of Richardson and Brown has been a major factor in our improvement as a team.

I will always maintain that There are better coaches out there than Brett Ratten, but the club's review was excellent and the new appointments have made the biggest difference.

What has changed and will continue to evolve is the Head Coaches' role and the assistants.

Like a good marriage one has to compliment the other. Ratten has failings as a coach, but the assistants make up the slack.

Ironically it was Alan Richardson I wanted as a coach at the club. Kind of got my wish. The mix is right.

Just like Sticks deficincies are compensated by the Pratt presence.

If we win the 17th, I am sure a few of you posters will be asking me to say I was wrong.
To some degree yes, but some degree no.
Bottom line though is we seem to have the right mix at the moment


What a crock mate!!!

Seriously "I think he protests too much!!!"

You were so definite in you criticism of Ratts that it's hard to believe you would even attempt to back peddle like this.

Suck it up big time Keogh it must hurt seeing Ratts grow in his role and development as a coach. To say he was the wrong man for the job and now to say credit must go to his assistants rather than the head coach (because he obviously wasn't up to it, cos he had to get experienced assistants under him) is just plan naive from you.

Was Ratts a premiership coach when we got him.........? of course not, did he have deficiencies .........yes, but there have been many coaches who have grown into the role and have become premiership coaches and if we went through the list of those you would be shown up as a belligerent fool because many successful coaches have had all sorts of help which we may never be privy to.

Your comments have and will be nothing more than the critics Ratts (and others) have had to put up with throughout their careers.

What you (or any of us) cant be sure of is what improvement has come from Ratts, Richo, Brown or any other combo of assistants that may have been put together had circumstances been different.

I think your stance is hilarious and gives a pretty good insight into your highly developed sense of self!


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
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Has Hitler been mentioned yet?

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mikkey wrote:
Has Hitler been mentioned yet?


You mean godwit's law? Oh, sorry - that's the one about the birds. :oops: :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:53 am 
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Read the post carefully. I said

1 There are better coaches available as head coach
2 He has improved so I give him credit
3 the role of the assistants is crucial to the teams success

In other words if we didnt have Brown and Richardson and the mis wasnt right we would be captain cactus and wanting Ratten's head.
You guys who are quick to pull my posts apart asks yourselves the question

Would have Essendon* won on Saturday night without McCarthy and Thompson in the box.
Answer no. Which begs the obvious inference.
and since you all missed the point
HERE IT IS IN CAPITALS
HOW MUCH EFFECT DOES THE SENIOR COACH HAVE ON THE PEFORMANCE OF THE TEAM

from the article in the Age it is obvious that Ratt's role has diminished and therefore we have improved.
Ratts is a good bloke and he has enthusiasm for the job which rubs off on his players.But he isnt up to it in many other areas. Credit goes to Richardson and co.
so cop that club 29
Life isnt as simple as you make it out.

And dane great to see you have a sense of humour. I am very different in reallife to the person you think I am as well.

And the only 3 good things to come out of Adelaide are
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2 The Hill Top Hoods
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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:39 am 
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keogh wrote:

HOW MUCH EFFECT DOES THE SENIOR COACH HAVE ON THE PEFORMANCE OF THE TEAM



The same as the CEO of a business - A SH!TLOAD. Just like business, the head coach is responsible for the direction of the team both on-field and off-field. And just like some department heads have a huge impact on the performance of the company, they are usually identified by the CEO as having unique talent and are given a great deal more latitude and responsibility than other department heads that don't posses the same talent.

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from the article in the Age it is obvious that Ratt's role has diminished and therefore we have improved.
Ratts is a good bloke and he has enthusiasm for the job which rubs off on his players.But he isnt up to it in many other areas. Credit goes to Richardson and co.



Ratts role has not diminished, the coaching team and football department has increased. If anything Ratts role has become must bigger as he has many more areas that he has to over-see.


By the way you form your thoughts Keogh, it would appear that you have little understanding of how management structures work and have a very poor grasp of what is required to manage a large group of people to form a cohesive unit.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratts Future
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:42 am 
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keogh wrote:
from the article in the Age it is obvious that Ratt's role has diminished and therefore we have improved.


My view on his role is that it has not diminished but it has been re-defined by various factors.
For example if the feedback he is getting from the players is that he needs to develop a better relationship to be a better coach then the steps he has taken to address this are not diminshing his role but enhancing it.


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