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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:12 pm 
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Can someone in the know explain how he tore something in his knee yet was sent back on the field?


When you 'tear' a miniscus, even ever so slightly - you don't know you've down anything serious except perhaps feel like you've twinged something. After a few minutes, that pain goes away. I'd suggest there are hundreds of amateur athletes who have torn a miniscus and never had the scans to prove it...just some swelling. It does heal itself.


I still dont know why he was put back on the field if the pain went away why was he hobbling so much on it. I could tell from the top deck that Jamo was in trouble. Loosing yesterday didn't bother me. But losing Jamo will hurt us so much more.

I hope the medical staff didn't make it worse by putting him back on the field.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:13 pm 
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Henderson will move to defense surely. He showed promise against JK on the weekend. I would bring in Bower as well.


Thought exactly the same thing - looked more at home in the backline and doesn't need to mark the ball. Good in the body on body and can move on the lead.

With Waitey back this week, and maybe Setanta or Bower or White we have options that will do the job. I'd like to see T-Bird swung back into attack with Waitey.

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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:29 pm 
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Lets all be positive about this. Even if it is six weeks, he'll still get a few games into him before the finals to regain his touch. Plus it puts the pressure on Bower to step up and others to cover down back as well. No need to get hysterical, lots of very "winnable" games without Jamo in the team. With luck we'll finish top 4, but we're still bound to play finals.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:33 pm 
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IN - Waite
OUT - Jamison

Austin will stay. If Austin goes, I will be ropeable.

Move Gibbs away from CHB and play Bower instead. Ellard can have a rest, put Gibbs into midfield.

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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:58 pm 
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Hotcox wrote:
Time for Bower to come into the side and become our no 1 defender which he has all the potential to become. Needs to stand up.

He is how the backline will look:

Laidler Henderson Bower
Yarran Thornton Russell Gibbs


No Duigan arguably our most consistent defender all season ?

No room for Austin ?

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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:02 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Teddy Hopkins Son wrote:
Can someone in the know explain how he tore something in his knee yet was sent back on the field?


When you 'tear' a miniscus, even ever so slightly - you don't know you've down anything serious except perhaps feel like you've twinged something. After a few minutes, that pain goes away. I'd suggest there are hundreds of amateur athletes who have torn a miniscus and never had the scans to prove it...just some swelling. It does heal itself.

Yep. Without decent scans it can be misdiagnosed as a bursae (real word, I'm not being [Bwuce]clever[/Bwuce]) being knocked causing additional swelling, or the fat pad impinging on movement and causing swelling.

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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:10 pm 
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I'm excited!! We need to lose this belief that we're reliant on particular players.

Just to drum home the point, we should rest Judd this week as well and tell 'em to go out and win by 5 goals anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:10 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Hotcox wrote:
Time for Bower to come into the side and become our no 1 defender which he has all the potential to become. Needs to stand up.

He is how the backline will look:

Laidler Henderson Bower
Yarran Thornton Russell Gibbs


No Duigan arguably our most consistent defender all season ?

No room for Austin ?


I am talking about this weeks team. I heard today that Duigan will definitely miss this week.

Austin is useless as a backman at AFL level, to easily goes to ground and his decision making is poor. He has been played as a forward for the Bullants. I think he could be useful as the 2nd tall to Waite, has pace and is aggressive in marking contests. We could really expose Richmond's lack of hight by playing him in the forward line.

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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:10 pm 
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After one loss people want to throw the side around that had been so good the last 6 odd weeks and more importantly looked balanced. Settle down!

Jamo will go out and Waite in. Bower is still struggling with injury so doubtful if he is even fit. Big call to bring him in. Laidler hasn't played for month and Duigan and Curnow are at least a week away.

Robbo will probably come in for Armfield. Based on what Ratts did with Touhy, OKeefe will get a full game.

Austin and Thornton will play key defence with either Waite, Hendo or OKeefe playing third tall.

The rest to stay as usual.

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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:25 pm 
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Hotcox wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Hotcox wrote:
Time for Bower to come into the side and become our no 1 defender which he has all the potential to become. Needs to stand up.

He is how the backline will look:

Laidler Henderson Bower
Yarran Thornton Russell Gibbs


No Duigan arguably our most consistent defender all season ?

No room for Austin ?


I am talking about this weeks team. I heard today that Duigan will definitely miss this week.

Austin is useless as a backman at AFL level, to easily goes to ground and his decision making is poor. He has been played as a forward for the Bullants. I think he could be useful as the 2nd tall to Waite, has pace and is aggressive in marking contests. We could really expose Richmond's lack of hight by playing him in the forward line.


If Duigan is still injured fair enough.

I am fascinated as many are with you obsession over Austin. First game in nearly 2 years. Out for most of that time with injury. Promoted to no. 1 tall in place of Jamison in a backline that was being placed under great pressure by a midfield that was being thrashed. In spite of that he was not Carlton's worst player.

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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:52 pm 
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Hopefully we can adapt and still get our fair share of wins over the next 6 weeks.

I guess the upside is that it'll force us to take a proper look at who might be able to stand up and get a chance to show that he can be a solid 2nd key position defender when Jamison comes back. Given that Bower is presumably still struggling with injury, I'm guessing that Austin will get another 2-3 weeks minimum. Great opportunity for him and the club to show that he can play good senior footy. Thankfully he's come off some pretty decent VFL form the previous 2 weeks. I thought he did a decent job in defence on the weekend.

I guess White and Santy and Laidler are the others who'll get a run over the next few weeks once they've regained a little fitness. Perhaps even Davies now that he's gotten back to some semblance of decent form.

I'm curious how many players we've played at senior level this year (and how that compares to some of the other clubs in the top 6). It feels like we and Hawthorn and Geelong have played a lot of different players out of the top teams. But that Collingwood and West Coast and Sydney not so much.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:23 am 
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We need to figure out alternative ways to deal with things with Jamo out.

For starters I think its about 100% certain Hendo will go to defence this week, and remain there until Jamo gets back. If he is struggling, maybe a swap with Waite may happen during matches.

I think we all knew before this loss, we are an outside chance of getting a flag, and the only way that will happen is if we have all our important players fit for finals. If Jamo is fit for then, we are still a go. Mind you, still need to make sure we win enough games to win top 4.

If we don't beat Richmond this week, I think we should begin panicing, as it would show that the improvement from last year has been more incremental, rather than drastic.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:18 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
I'm curious how many players we've played at senior level this year (and how that compares to some of the other clubs in the top 6). It feels like we and Hawthorn and Geelong have played a lot of different players out of the top teams. But that Collingwood and West Coast and Sydney not so much.


Geelong Cats 33
Collingwood 29
Hawthorn 33
Carlton 36
West Coast Eagles 32
Sydney Swans 34
Fremantle 36
Melbourne 36
North Melbourne 32
Essendon* 32
Richmond 34
Western Bulldogs 37
St Kilda 36
Adelaide 36
Brisbane Lions 37
Port Adelaide 34
Gold Coast Suns 39

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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:42 am 
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Thanks Donstuie. Very interesting. So we're right up there with Fremantle, who've been absolutely decimated by injury. And ahead of Hawthorn, whose injuries have been well documented.

West Coast and Sydney have played more players than I realised. And Hawthorn less.

Just reinforces how good a year we've had to lose only 3 and 1/2 games and to have given so many different guys a go. By comparison, I'm guessing that in 1995 we probably only played about 28 different players for the year.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:06 am 
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Essendon*'s 32 have been braver btw

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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:16 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
Thanks Donstuie. Very interesting. So we're right up there with Fremantle, who've been absolutely decimated by injury. And ahead of Hawthorn, whose injuries have been well documented.

West Coast and Sydney have played more players than I realised. And Hawthorn less.

Just reinforces how good a year we've had to lose only 3 and 1/2 games and to have given so many different guys a go. By comparison, I'm guessing that in 1995 we probably only played about 28 different players for the year.


Memory only but I think it was 32 in 95

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:23 am 
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I think they waited until I bought a membership and a CLUB 17 upgrade before deciding to play like crap and get injured.


Agree, i bought the missus a membership on Sunday before the game, now I'm blaming her for all of this!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:07 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
Thanks Donstuie. Very interesting. So we're right up there with Fremantle, who've been absolutely decimated by injury. And ahead of Hawthorn, whose injuries have been well documented.

West Coast and Sydney have played more players than I realised. And Hawthorn less.

Just reinforces how good a year we've had to lose only 3 and 1/2 games and to have given so many different guys a go. By comparison, I'm guessing that in 1995 we probably only played about 28 different players for the year.


36 is a fair bit, but we have had Jamo, Kreuze and Waite all out for multiple matches.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:29 pm 
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Interesting stats of players used.
The one positive is that many important players have played all games.
Walker, Russell, Murphy, Gibbs, Judd, Simpson, Scotland, Betts, Garlett, havent missed and all are pretty durable in that they havent missed too many over recent years.
Hope i havent just jinxed them.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamo to miss 4 weeks
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:44 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Teddy Hopkins Son wrote:
Can someone in the know explain how he tore something in his knee yet was sent back on the field?


When you 'tear' a miniscus, even ever so slightly - you don't know you've down anything serious except perhaps feel like you've twinged something. After a few minutes, that pain goes away. I'd suggest there are hundreds of amateur athletes who have torn a miniscus and never had the scans to prove it...just some swelling. It does heal itself.


I tore my Meniscus last year, simply doing hill sprints (I'm 47 so maybe age related too). Had and arthroscope, and it went very well, with only 7% of cartillage removed. It took me about 8 weeks to get back to running, but I didn't do anywhere near as much re-hab as I should've. Swelling is an issue, as the longer it remains swollen, the more the supportive muscles around the knee waste away and need to be built up.

If all goes well, I reckon Jamo will be back in about 6.


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