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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:55 pm 
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After yesterday display, is anyone lamenting us picking Watson ahead of Darling. Not saying I am, just putting the question out there..


Irrelevant. Revisit in 3 years.


refer Yarran v Rich.

Pointless comparing Darling to Watson at this stage.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:09 pm 
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Not much point complaining about the umpires either. 23 to 13 frees in our favor.


Considering the holding on Judd and Murphy, it should have been 60 -13.
Might have made a difference.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:10 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Also, after yesterday display, is anyone lamenting us picking Watson ahead of Darling. Not saying I am, just putting the question out there..


:eek: :eek: :eek: I thought you were more footy savvy than that Dom. That's the sort of thing a few other 'world renown' crystal ball gazes here on TC would have posted.

Not saying I am disappointed (but really I am).

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:31 pm 
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Houlihan's role in the team has been as a defensive forward.
But in todays footy if you have that role it is not enough to just keep your man quiet.
Houilhan doesnt run hard enough doesnt tackle enough and more importantly doesnt create things off his own bat enough.

And for what its worth I reckon his kicking whilst looking very pretty is overrated. He lacks depth in his kicking and turns it over more often than people think

He isnt in our best 22 and I personally want him out of the team


I've known your feelings towards Houla for 5 years now...I know it's personal. Your call.
Nothing will change that even if he's BOG in a final. Drewgirl claims Houla's a ball watcher.

Bottom line: Did Houla do his job on Sunday?
I ask that question of anyone who thinks Houla should be dropped.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:37 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Houlihan's role in the team has been as a defensive forward.
But in todays footy if you have that role it is not enough to just keep your man quiet.
Houilhan doesnt run hard enough doesnt tackle enough and more importantly doesnt create things off his own bat enough.

And for what its worth I reckon his kicking whilst looking very pretty is overrated. He lacks depth in his kicking and turns it over more often than people think

He isnt in our best 22 and I personally want him out of the team


I've known your feelings towards Houla for 5 years now...I know it's personal. Your call.
Nothing will change that even if he's BOG in a final. Drewgirl claims Houla's a ball watcher.

Bottom line: Did Houla do his job on Sunday?
I ask that question of anyone who thinks Houla should be dropped.


Thought Houlihan's job on Hurn was first rate, and it will be reflected accordingly come the B&F polling at the end of the year. What could put him under scrutiny was an inability to hurt the opposition the other way. Missed two absolute sitters that Houla, as recently as last year would have slotted them in his sleep. At the moment, I think he's still a couple of weeks off readjusting to not only the tempo of senior footy, but also the increased tempo in which we go about our footy.

As such, I can't see sending him back to Preston as doing him that much good. He'll have Deledio in the crosshairs this week I suspect.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:37 pm 
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It's known as the 'Keogh sausage factory'...............as one whipping boy shows him up and moves down the conveyor belt and another one comes along.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:45 pm 
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I just hope the one thing that doesn't come out of this is the caving to pressure, internally and externally to change our 4-2 defensive setup that has been so successful thus far.

Playing a smaller backline arguably should have won us the game against Geelong. Collingwood game would have been interesting had we not chosen to experiment with Watson that night too.

Won't come across too many forward lines as tall as West Coast, especially with Hawks missing Roughead for the rest of the year.

Whilst Essendon* have shown that a stubborness relating to changing a misfiring structure can curtail a season, and Jamo going down may bring about a need to overcompensate until he gets back in, you've got to have faith in what got you to the dance in the first place.

It's just as likely that teams will try and overcompensate and stack their forward line from now on in, and get caught out. Having key forwards in Henderson, Waite and Setanta that can all go back if required is of great assistance here..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:45 pm 
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What a farce the MRP is. Lynch gets only one week for 2 incidents against Murphy. Both times he got a discount for a 5 year good behaviour record, fair enough for one but not for the second one. its a joke. Murphy was an obvious target on Sunday.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:51 pm 
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Bloody hell, it's like a sausage factory in here.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:51 pm 
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@ Keogh, you know I am generally supportive of your opinion but have to disagree with you on this one. Houlihan as a youngster was lazy but I seriously believe it s not the case anymore. Watch him closely in a game and he works hard. He does however have that motion that makes him look a bit larthegic and I believe people judge him harshly.

The point now is that if you are lazy you wont play. He has been injured and it was his first full game all year and I thought he played a role. Hard to really judge anyone on the weekend given our lack of intensity as a group.

His class with the ball is undeniable. Form will dictate whether he's in our 22 by years end!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:53 pm 
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What a farce the MRP is. Lynch gets only one week for 2 incidents against Murphy. Both times he got a discount for a 5 year good behaviour record, fair enough for one but not for the second one. its a joke. Murphy was an obvious target on Sunday.


Murf, was a target, but to be honest they bashed us up like the Bombers used to and we just let them.

Also T Bird is very lucky not to get at least one for head butting.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:00 pm 
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Really Kouta.? If I was on the match committee I would choose a tough team, not ball watchers....

Hope you like losing with houla ball watching, thorton behind his opponent then falling to the ground, Austin having no idea..... Need I go on.

You're always one of that group who go on and on with emotional post-match ranting and sniping...

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Poor thought processes and analysis.

You don't even need to read the username to identify the "wrist slasher" who had lost it yet again.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:01 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
After yesterday display, is anyone lamenting us picking Watson ahead of Darling. Not saying I am, just putting the question out there..


Darling is AFL ready and was touted a top 3 pick the previous year. Watson, judging by what I've seen and the Ánts reports is at least another pre-season away. My only concern is he does not appear to be a big body contact player.

I'm sure the River Rodent can give more insight.


I think it's a valid question, unless you think there is no vacancy on our list for an AFL-ready potential top 3 pick!!

And its not a comment on Watson or McCarthy and how good they may or may not be. Its about the distribution of the list. One is probably another 2 pre-seasons away, and the other could be longer. Juddy, Waite and Scotland might be hanging up the boots before those guys are ready.

Arguably, a more AFL-ready KPP is what we needed to smoothe out our list a little bit. AFL-ready seems to gets a bad knock but Geelong keeps picking them and are making out like bandits.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:02 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Murf, was a target, but to be honest they bashed us up like the Bombers used to and we just let them.


Yep we didn't stand up for ourselves and that was unlike us in 2011. Mentally we weren't ready for the challenge and paid the price.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:04 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:09 pm 
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nightcrawler wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
After yesterday display, is anyone lamenting us picking Watson ahead of Darling. Not saying I am, just putting the question out there..


Darling is AFL ready and was touted a top 3 pick the previous year. Watson, judging by what I've seen and the Ánts reports is at least another pre-season away. My only concern is he does not appear to be a big body contact player.

I'm sure the River Rodent can give more insight.


I think it's a valid question, unless you think there is no vacancy on our list for an AFL-ready potential top 3 pick!!

And its not a comment on Watson or McCarthy and how good they may or may not be. Its about the distribution of the list. One is probably another 2 pre-seasons away, and the other could be longer. Juddy, Waite and Scotland might be hanging up the boots before those guys are ready.

Arguably, a more AFL-ready KPP is what we needed to smoothe out our list a little bit. AFL-ready seems to gets a bad knock but Geelong keeps picking them and are making out like bandits.

WC and the 16 other clubs passed on Darling too.

If Darling wasn't the best available footballer and person, why would you pick him?

Carlton still needs to take a long term view beyond the careers of Judd and Waite. Even the Eagles didn't want a ready made KPF in Fevola via the Judd trade, but a long term one in Kennedy. Fast forward to 2015 with Watson, McCarthy, Laidler, Tuohy, Russell, Yarran and McInnes holding our backline together minus Jamison (inj).

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:11 pm 
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Not much point complaining about the umpires either. 23 to 13 frees in our favor.


Considering the holding on Judd and Murphy, it should have been 60 -13.
Might have made a difference.


The umpires missed a lot of Eagles free kicks.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:16 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
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17 marks inside 50 to 3 on top of 17 to 10 last week...


Worrying indeed. That 3 is appalling.


There's no question we need some of our talls, both forward and back, to step up otherwise we may as well put the cue in the rack this season.
With Jamo in trouble we have to persist with Hendo Austin Bower et al and hope they can become productive.


If it is true that we have to hope for them to be productive, it doesn't say a great deal about our depth - in the talls department at least.

But I too think we need to hope.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:35 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
nightcrawler wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Darling is AFL ready and was touted a top 3 pick the previous year. Watson, judging by what I've seen and the Ánts reports is at least another pre-season away. My only concern is he does not appear to be a big body contact player.

I'm sure the River Rodent can give more insight.

I think it's a valid question, unless you think there is no vacancy on our list for an AFL-ready potential top 3 pick!!

And its not a comment on Watson or McCarthy and how good they may or may not be. Its about the distribution of the list. One is probably another 2 pre-seasons away, and the other could be longer. Juddy, Waite and Scotland might be hanging up the boots before those guys are ready.

Arguably, a more AFL-ready KPP is what we needed to smoothe out our list a little bit. AFL-ready seems to gets a bad knock but Geelong keeps picking them and are making out like bandits.

WC and the 16 other clubs passed on Darling too.

If Darling wasn't the best available footballer and person, why would you pick him?

Carlton still needs to take a long term view beyond the careers of Judd and Waite. Even the Eagles didn't want a ready made KPF in Fevola via the Judd trade, but a long term one in Kennedy. Fast forward to 2015 with Watson, McCarthy, Laidler, Tuohy, Russell, Yarran and McInnes holding our backline together minus Jamison (inj).

:smoking:

Ok, I'll humour you. I'm closing my eyes and picturing 2015. We've got some great young KPPS pushing through, but we're getting smashed out of the middle every week cause Juddy's sitting on beach in Karabi drinking pina-coladas.

If we were taking a long term view, we wouldn't have traded Kennedy in the first place, he'd have been the focal point of our forward line on Sunday and we wouldn't need to be debating the relative merits of passing on Darling, would we?

We chose door number two, so pretending we don't need a ROI on Judd is a bit silly in my view.

And if the Eagles had been about to spend 3-4 years contesting finals, rather than 3-4 bottoming out, they'd have taken Fevola off our hands.


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