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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:36 pm 
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Go and watch 1AW's first half again........didn't hit the scoreboard, but he was awesome.

Impossible to match up on, sign him up......NOW!

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:49 pm 
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NBH, I'm guessing your opinion is based on watching Lachie off the ball rather than on his output, was it anything in particular, not leading up the ground enough, working back, just getting to enough contests?

It looked like Tex was working up to the wings more than recent weeks which I thought was due to Henderson/Kreuzer still looking for match fitness so could it have been more role related than work rate?


More often than not.....not leading up the ground when the kicker was say, 75 metres away. Just generally not presenting and giving the kicker an option.
Also seemed to be getting caught behind a lot when a quick kick came in, suggesting he just wasn't quite on his game.


Thanks. Those are the things you can't see watching on tv.

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:49 pm 
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Pros
Kreuzer
Murphy (again)
Great crowd, the biggest of the round.
More accurate kicking for goal
Not relying on Judd
No reports
Several players down yet still had a good win

Cons
Hampson's injury
Cheer squad banner, what were they thinking?
Didnt run the game out, looked tired.
Crowd reaction to Henderson


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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:27 pm 
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Henderson copped Bronx cheers, and a pasting on here from me, because he didn’t work hard in the first half, simple as that. No excuses for it.

I'm sure Lachie came on here to read your considered opnions,he'll be much better for it!


Hey, DOA, FWIW, Andy's form this year has been one of the big Pros for me this season. He seems to have masses more confidence in himself and his teammates than previously. He's looking insanely fit too.

Loving it!

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:41 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Henderson copped Bronx cheers, and a pasting on here from me, because he didn’t work hard in the first half, simple as that. No excuses for it.


A pasting on here is fine but I dont understand the point of jeering your own players at the game. If a players is struggling to get into the game or is lacking confidence, I fail to see how negativity from your own supporters is going to change the situation for the better.

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:06 am 
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the players spot the diff between a 'well informed' bronx cheer vs that from ugly supporters

.....i am sure there is a science to it.......surely!


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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:16 am 
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I didn't watch Lachie close enough to know whether he was just down on output or also down on intensity.
He's young enough and inexperienced enough that he is going to have quiet quarters and games.
His output was quite good in the 2nd half. He may have just been well held and didn't know how to fight himself out of it. Then got some words from Barker/ Ratten at half time.
I thought the Bronx cheers were uncalled for personally. They made me uncomfortable.

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:33 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Pros:
Henderson's 3rd qtr.....3 marks, a goal of his own and 3 goal assists. Showed promise. :clap: :clap: :clap:


Iamgine what he'll be like in the GF when he will be fitter and does do that for 4 Qtrs.

This kid is HOT

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:39 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this kid Hendo keeps getting the bronx cheers off supporters

Sure he didnt have hsi best day but he wasn't alone there - Couple of others very quiet today

Please tell me that the nuff nuff Fev supporters are not still holding a grudge


aramari said it's all in good humour. I reckon that's bullshit. Just the way they deliver the jeers and the slander that comes out of their mouth, spitting with rage...that aint a joke, that's a sickness.

They are just a bunch of @#$%&! wits. The type I always have a go at. The response I get from these idiots after having a go at them convinces me they are nuff nuffs. I wish they'd support another team.

There's a few here on TC who like to bag our own too.

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:40 pm 
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the ability of some supporters to find a negative amongst a host of positives, baffles and dismays me.
We should not be bronx cheering any of our players. Leave that to the Essendon* supporters.

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:48 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Henderson copped Bronx cheers, and a pasting on here from me, because he didn’t work hard in the first half, simple as that. No excuses for it.


All class.

First it was Russell copping crap from the ferals, then it was Hampson, now it is Hendo's turn. Even Josh Kennedy copped it when he was with us.

Well on a positive note thank god it's only a fad...a moment in time. Fingers crossed.

I wish you'd direct all the negative energy to the opposition.
That's how the game is suppose to be played.

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
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Pro: the second tier mids - the likes of Carazzo, Simmo, Ellard, Robbo and Scotland have been outstanding. Everyone may talk about Judd or Murph but these boys are the real secret to our success.

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:08 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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Just demonstrates how futile your efforts are , your criticisms have no chance in hell of reaching the intended recipient.
And sure, it is only a forum, if you are content in venting into cyber space, that is all that matters.



If you can't handle criticism of players DOA (and let's face it, if I were in your position I probably wouldn't be able to), you're probably visiting the wrong website.

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:09 pm 
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Pros - The game plan and the required intensity level is virtually ingrained in the brains of those representing CFC. The players no-longer need 'think music' they just get on with it. They play their roles and they know their responsibilities.

This is why we are closing the gap. The Pies and Cats don't think they just do. The Blues are getting that same mind set. We are more free flowing because the players just KNOW when/where/why and how to run to position themselves. Disposal is more instinctive because they have faith that someone will be in the area to which the ball is headed. The players also know if they apply themselves the team has the weapons to get the job done. That knowledge is a powerful force when the chips are down.

Cons - Sad for Hammer but opportunity knocks for another to continue in the same vain. From now on each time an infantry man falls another has step up to the front line and take over.

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:14 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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Just demonstrates how futile your efforts are , your criticisms have no chance in hell of reaching the intended recipient.
And sure, it is only a forum, if you are content in venting into cyber space, that is all that matters.



If you can't handle criticism of players DOA (and let's face it, if I were in your position I probably wouldn't be able to), you're probably visiting the wrong website.

In your haste to deflect,you have missed the point entirely.
Critisise to your liitle hearts content,but explain to us all how that embellishes your life?
And no, it is not the wrong website,it is a Carlton website, for Carlton supporters!
This is not a direct attack on you NBH,I can never undertand how an individual can go to all the effort of intentionally logging on to a computer to whinge about players.
The tired old FOS line(just an excuse for those with a false sense of entitlement) is forfeited when you post under anonymity imho.
Tell me,would you approach say, Mike Tyson, call him names,then claim FOS,of course not,safer from behind a keyboard ay!


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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:18 pm 
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PRO: The premiership quarters is back. To delight in our team's brilliance and genuine stars again, and to share it with my 9 year old for the first time.

CON: I was ashamed to again hear bronx cheers, this time toward hendo. I have been proud of the fact that carlton supporters didn't eat their own. Why now? Besides not deserving it (his efforts in the third quarter were an important reason we had such a run on), he's only 21yr old with a ton of potential, he's performing (he is a mile in front of Hawkins for example), deserves his spot, and needs game time.

LEAVE HENDO ALONE WHINGERS! Hang it on the opposition; as Bondi said that's what they're there for.


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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:26 pm 
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DOA and Bondi
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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
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london blue wrote:
DOA and Bondi
.........Love your collective work and passion
Go Blues


We are indelible.

Bring 'em on.

We've got Tex and his Rangers (the Dark Navy Blue Brotherhood) on our side :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:12 pm 
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DOA wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
DOA wrote:
Just demonstrates how futile your efforts are , your criticisms have no chance in hell of reaching the intended recipient.
And sure, it is only a forum, if you are content in venting into cyber space, that is all that matters.



If you can't handle criticism of players DOA (and let's face it, if I were in your position I probably wouldn't be able to), you're probably visiting the wrong website.

In your haste to deflect,you have missed the point entirely.
Critisise to your liitle hearts content,but explain to us all how that embellishes your life?
And no, it is not the wrong website,it is a Carlton website, for Carlton supporters!
This is not a direct attack on you NBH,I can never undertand how an individual can go to all the effort of intentionally logging on to a computer to whinge about players.
The tired old FOS line(just an excuse for those with a false sense of entitlement) is forfeited when you post under anonymity imho.
Tell me,would you approach say, Mike Tyson, call him names,then claim FOS,of course not,safer from behind a keyboard ay!


Of course it's safer, because fan forums promote communication WITHOUT the threat of physical intimidation. Respected 'posters' usually gain their status by successfully debating a subject using their mind rather than their fists.

Others have brought up the comparisons with JK at the same age which I think is a very valid point. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: R13: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:55 pm 
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DOA wrote:
Tell me,would you approach say, Mike Tyson, call him names,then claim FOS,of course not,safer from behind a keyboard ay!


Are you suggesting that no-one should have any opinion on Mike Tyson that he may not like without being willing to accept the possibility of massive physical violence in return...?

If so, that's really [REDACTED] up.

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