Will the 'prototype' be inducted into the Hall of fame this year or will he have to wait his turn. I think that Voss, Hird and Buckley also become eligible this year.

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

If Woewodin did the honourable thing and gave it back - there really would be nothing separating Voss, Buckley, Hird & Koutoufides as giants of the modern game.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Well, except for premiership wins.

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"In better news for Blues fans, Jarrad Waite was not named on the club's injury list."

True - That means Buckley may miss out

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

I think that's overstating it.

Yeah you're right - I took the eye roll out.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Kouta won the MVP the year he missed out on the Brownlow anyway.

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Premierships: 1869, 1871, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1877, 1887, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995.

"GIBBS."

and?

Dont look at me I'm drinking a glass of water.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Ask the players which award they would rather win...one voted for by the umpires, or one voted for by your peers.

It might not be as prestigious as the Brownlow...but the common view is the MVP or Leigh Matthews trophy yields more than the Brownlow in the eyes of the greater football community.

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Premierships: 1869, 1871, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1877, 1887, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1915, 1938, 1945, 1947, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1987, 1995.

"GIBBS."

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

So we were told all Summer.

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"They're [REDACTED]'

I'm disgusted that James wasn't given instant Legend status.

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

I'm disgusted that Bucks is held in the same regard as Voss and Hird!

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Probably fair enough on Hird and Voss - Premiership captains and Brownlow medalists. Riccuto 2 Flags a Brownlow and Club Captain as well.

Buckley well if Gavin Brown is considered a Hall of Famer then I guess Nathan Buckley is the obligatory Collingwood hall of famer for this year.


Kouta's time may come.

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

The only HoF induction that has bothered me is Mark Bickley. Shocking call. Good ordinary player was a good leader but every team has one of him at any given time.

Don't worry we were shocked over here too....NFI on that inclusion

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Voss, Buckley and Hird are all a fair way in front of Kouta. Then again I rate Ratts career higher than Kouta's. I look how often they were elite, and Kouta in 2000 was probably better than Voss, Buckley or Hird's best seasons.

The bottom line is this Kouta was very good in 1995, pretty good in 1996, had rubbish 1997 & 98, even at one stage was going to be dropped. It was a move into defence which got him going again. He had a good/solid 1999 in defence, until he exploded in the last quarter of the Prelim moved into the middle.

2000 he was at his spectacular best, in 2001 he was more workmanlike but still elite, then he did his knee, he was never the same, merely good for the rest of his career.

That is basically 2 elite years, the rest of them would number at least 8-10 when they were consistently excellent, week in week out. Take away your club bias, and you will see Kouta was a club champion but not a hall of famer.

Watching the Blues my memory goes back 1990 or so (pretty much week in week out since 95) the best Carlton players ive seen (in order) Williams, Silvagni, Bradley and Kernahan. Those 4 are hall of famers (Juddy will get in when he retires and could move to 1 or 2 depending on what he achieves in coming years). I would put Ratts, Kouta, McKay & Peter Dean in the next rung down.

His father dying took away his focus from footy.

Kouta was elite.