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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 11:59 pm 
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Almost everything

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The score line
Stevie J having a turd game yet netting 3 goals
5 frees paid to Joel Selwood (23 in 7 games)

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 11:59 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:00 am 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
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- should have inserted "WARNOCK", weak as f*****ing piss


You will end up getting me banned if you post stuff like this because I'll breach rules 2.1 and 2.3...

He's a young ruckman with an immense workload and he's only had 1 solid preseason since he's been with us....

I applaud him for even making that contest to take that mark/get the free.....because he had obviously pushed himself to his absolute limits

Just because a man gets paid 400k doesn't make him super human.....

This shit upsets me and I wish I could say what I really thought :banghead:



Didems, he'll get over it.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:02 am 
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Walker's silly indiscretion - was there anything in it? Will he have a case to answer?


Selwood ducked his head into it, then grabbed Walker's arm to make it look worse than it was.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:06 am 
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Pro - great effort, better team on the night but no chocolates

Con - Yes 206 should have kicked the goal HOWEVER he should have been on the goal line as the Geelong defender (Scarlett) I think literally dropped the ball to the ground after Warnock was awarded the free kick. Any other time this would be a 50m penalty. :mad:


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:07 am 
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Cons

We lost.
Yellow maggots.
How TF do you tackle a bloke who grabs it with his head down all the time in packs ?? We need to approach the AFL for advice (I'm sure Eddie Everywhere would accompany Sticks to have a chat with the Geesh).
Missing a shot from 15m after all that hard work.
Owning most of the last Q and still somehow losing :cry:
Yazz worked his way into the game with great tackling 2nd half, BUT its when he's breaking the lines and delivering the pill that he's most dangerous.

Pros

100% effort for the entire game :thumbsup:
Waite played a ripper.
Gibbs - again :razz:
Scotto is having his best ever season when he's supposed to be slowing down. So strong in the core, he breaks tackles easily.
Duigan. Made a few errors, but was an 8.5/10. Real find. Terrible decision by the ump.
The only team this year to have outscored Geelong in the last Q this year. And with 3.6, should have won.
We ARE coming.
Krooze goes around this weekend. Good luck son.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:10 am 
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Just on Selwood, they were discussing his technique after an irate Carlton fan called. Matthew Lloyd was fairly honest and said the thing he regrets most about his career is that he spent a few years diving for frees and when he tried to give it up, he couldn't shake the stigma and his regret is that he's still remmebered for that. He said he sees Selwood heading down the same path, albeit ina different fashion giving he is leading with his head.
Dermie said that he staged for a while till an opposition player embarrased him and told him to stand up like a man.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:13 am 
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PROS
Shoulda coulda won
Toughed it out
Simmo
Scotland
Murphy
Ellards grunt in close
Waite terrific game
Laidler terrific game and Duigan not far behind

CONS
McLean did okay in close but how did we not know how slow he is. He just cannot make a few metres to get to a contest
Army seems out of position and out of sorts
Betts has lost his mojo
Warnock was great in the centre square early, and gets his hands on the ball a lot, but he just doesn't do anything around the ground he has to start getting possessions
Umpire 26 - shocking. He was like a kid umpiring too scared to make a decision the non mark to Duigan was the wrost decision I have seen in a long time and then when Duigan reasonably complains he pays about his only free of the night. Big call in a 2 pt game.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:15 am 
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Selwood is a likeable player, making himself very much a hated player. Unfortunately the media's infatuation with him is influencing the umpires to the point where they still play him free kicks.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:16 am 
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Pros:

Scotland was fantastic
waites best game in a long time.
great team effort, never gave in, didn't give an inch
thought McClean was good early winning clearances
First quarter
Last quarter
Jamo has taken his game to another level
Simmos goal kicking
We kicked relatively straight for once early.
We are a massively improved TEAM this year.


Cons:
The Selwood free in the 2nd quarter swung momentum, was in the second tackle and dived forward so hard Ellard went over the top of him and cleared him entirely. Worst decision i have seen by an umpire in a long time. Was holding the ball anyway you slice it. just watched it again on the IQ2 several times.

The "interpretation" of holding the ball as it has become is absolutely [REDACTED].....period

We couldnt have finish it off at the end.
Poor sheparding on the line for Waites shot.
Walker shanked it
Warnock's miss, he'll take that as hard as Simmo's OOF against the Bummers.
33% conversion in the last when we threatened to run over them and should have.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:19 am 
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PRO:
Stadium shaking carlton chant in a big game against strong opposition.
I was a kid the last time I experienced that.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:28 am 
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Pros
Very much a team effort
Heath Scotland - haven't always been a fan but he has been great this year and tonight was tops.
Murph - is now elite.
Gibbs - as above
Waite - great hands and so valuable at the moment.
Duigan and Laidler - brilliant pick ups.
Jeffy Garlett's forward pressure and brilliance.
Despite some dreadful umpiring decisions that hit us hard we fought back magnificently!
WE ARE BACK!

Cons
Shoulda won!
Didn't shepherd that kick on goal
Eddie is out of sorts
The arguing just before 3/4 time (or was it half time)

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:31 am 
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aerodyte wrote:
PRO:
Stadium shaking carlton chant in a big game against strong opposition.
I was a kid the last time I experienced that.


Ah..........brings back memories of standing under the Heatley Stand with a luke warm pie as the Baggers turned up the heat in the "premiership quarter" :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:34 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Selwood is a likeable player, making himself very much a hated player. Unfortunately the media's infatuation with him is influencing the umpires to the point where they still play him free kicks.


Its a clever tactic by selwood but he is starting to get free kicks when he doesnt even achieve his goal of getting high contact. Its as though the umpires like the tactic and look forward to rewarding him to the point where they jump the gun.

In the last Selwood made a fool of himself trying to hold a carlton players arm around his neck when he was laying a shep. He should have got done for holding the man there. That was a con.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:35 am 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
Blue Beatle wrote:
- should have inserted "WARNOCK", weak as f*****ing piss


You will end up getting me banned if you post stuff like this because I'll breach rules 2.1 and 2.3...

He's a young ruckman with an immense workload and he's only had 1 solid preseason since he's been with us....

I applaud him for even making that contest to take that mark/get the free.....because he had obviously pushed himself to his absolute limits

Just because a man gets paid 400k doesn't make him super human.....

This shit upsets me and I wish I could say what I really thought :banghead:


you don't have to be superhuman to kick a goal from 15mt out!

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:46 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
Just on Selwood, they were discussing his technique after an irate Carlton fan called. Matthew Lloyd was fairly honest and said the thing he regrets most about his career is that he spent a few years diving for frees and when he tried to give it up, he couldn't shake the stigma and his regret is that he's still remmebered for that. .



Well Matthew Lloyd has just gone up in my estimation from a big pile of elephant turd to a super huge pile of elephant turd.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:54 am 
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Mark J wrote:
TheBluesMuse wrote:
Blue Beatle wrote:
- should have inserted "WARNOCK", weak as f*****ing piss


You will end up getting me banned if you post stuff like this because I'll breach rules 2.1 and 2.3...

He's a young ruckman with an immense workload and he's only had 1 solid preseason since he's been with us....

I applaud him for even making that contest to take that mark/get the free.....because he had obviously pushed himself to his absolute limits

Just because a man gets paid 400k doesn't make him super human.....

This shit upsets me and I wish I could say what I really thought :banghead:


you don't have to be superhuman to kick a goal from 15mt out!



Warnock was knocked out. he probably won't remember the kick. didn't look like much but was concussed. good source.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:56 am 
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Warnock was knocked out. he probably won't remember the kick. didn't look like much but was concussed. good source.


Shouldn't have taken it. We should have pulled him off then and there.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 1:06 am 
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:oops:


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 1:06 am 
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PROS

Outplayed the unbeaten champion team

Duigan and Laidler - these guys are too short and Laidler's slow and Duigan lacks polish but they've probably made the biggest difference between this year and last. 90% of Duigan's game is at AA level, and he's clearly a leader. Just the odd rough edge and a lack of agility.

Walker - Gave Scarlett a torrid time. Triple threat-on the lead, in the air, on the ground. Plays tall and small, can do the odd freakish touch, but hits the ball hard. Exactly the mid-size forward we needed.

Waite - Frustrated me early, but just kept taking contested marks on the lead, and when the long ball came, kept on contesting.

Murphy - seemed to drop off a bit at the end, but was great for most of the game. Untackleable.

Scotland - What a season he's having. Just wins the ball, creates space for himself with great footwork, assesses opportunities better than most, and nails the execution.

General ball control - Some of our players have become exceptional at trapping the ball, making it somehow end up in their hands from unpromising situations, tapping it to advantage and using handball creatively and comfortably in the maelstrom. Massive improvement in those skills.

Collingwood can't go top this week :|

We're a only couple of class players short of true contender status. Put Paul Chapman and Nathan Fyfe (semi-serious reference to past trading disappointments) in our team and we win the flag easy :donk:

Never turned it up - Fantastic perseverance and belief, verging on Bomber-esque


CONS

Outplayed the unbeaten champion team- and lost

Again, like our recent wins, the scoreboard doesn't quite reflect our control of the game for longer than the opposition.

Warnock's miss

Armfield - Varcoe is a gun, but he hurt us. Army seems to have gone backwards - struggles to stop an opponent. Still provides a little on the way out - but the balance is currently not in his favour.

The Duigan verbal free - How many times does the umpire decide to give a free kick for verbal BS at a ball up at point blank range to the attacking team? It's VERY rare. It was a square up for the Scarlett 50 but :banghead:

Selwood - Yeah I know he IS a great footballer, but this high tackle crap has gone waaay too long. I slo-mo-ed the high decision against Ellard. He grabbed Joel on the upper arm, and Selwood simply raised his arm. Physics did the rest and the tackle BECAME high. Don't like it. Heard the umpire late in the game call a Cats player out for the same move - so they're onto it (after 5 years). But it is tough to see live. It is a valuable skill, but it's gaming the system. Get rid of it. Spirit of the game Giesch- sort it out!

Yarran's role early - Maybe he doesn't run hard enough often enough. Maybe he's still learning the half back role. Maybe the coaches left him to rot for too long. Got into the game late with some great defensive efforts.

Going down the guts - Probably turned the scoreboard against us in the middle two quarters. High risk long kicks through the corridor like Carrazzo to Betts at CHF - tough ball to mark spills, Cats clean up and waltz off to goal. Avoiding these tempting pitfalls are critical the way the game is played in 2011. Play the odds - corridor only when it favours us.

Mclean - He might be better for the run. We might be better with someone else. Dumb 50m goal. Precious little to square that ledger. Robinson, for all his sloppiness and chaos (did you see Ratts go off at him as Robbo came off for a spell? Any lip-readers?), had more positive impact in 1 quarter than Brock had in 3. Neither are really good enough at the moment.


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