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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 3:49 pm 
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keogh wrote:
When the coaching job was up for grabs after round 17 2007 I listed some candidates who should be looked at.

One was Alan Richardson who atleast is at the club.
the other was Brendan McCarthy who I saw first hand at Ocean Grove.
Best coach I have ever heard seen watch go about his business but because he played 80 games for Newtown as apposed to 250 for the navy blue he didnt get thought of.
Just happens to be an article in the age today about him and sums him up. He was born to coach and would be a shame if he doesnt become a senior coach at AFL level. If Ratts doesnt workiout then I would be definitely being interviewing him


If Brendan McCartney was such a good candidate why didn't he get the gig at Geelong? Maybe he just wasn't up to it!?



because there is a reluctance to pick a senior coach who didnt play the game at the highest level. In the case of mccartney he only played 80 odd games in the GFL so he is behind the 8 ball for starters. Also with the change of hompson to Scott there was a major change in the coaching lineup.

Trust me on this one. If McCartney ever gets a senior coaching job he will get the very best out of that group. I believe Carlton has a very talented list but we have a few passengers. McCartney wouldnt tolerate any loafers.He is a brilliiant speaker


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:02 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
I am not suggesting for a moment that Diesel is not a massively smarter guy, but his opinion of Ratts is not relevant. As I say Ratts is a very very lucky man and now with guys like Alan Rchardson and players like Judd and a host of #1 and high picks he can make a career as a coach. Is he the best? Will he do what coaches need to do and make the team much greater than the sum of the parts? At the moment things are looking good lets hope they continue. But we only get one go at this. Judd is a once in 30 years player, and we won't ever have a better go at the draft that the last 8 years, so if we have the best coach for the job, we may sneak a flag before the GC juggernaut gets rolling in 4 years time, if we haven't we may miss the chance and have a long wait. Ratts has massive responsibility on his shoulders a do those who chose him. Things looking good so far. Top 4 this year, and then a flga chance next year. Sts are gone, Cats too old, Hawks slipped and after this year the Woods may have a dual flag hangover. 2012/3 will be our years. Lets hope we grasp them.



WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:25 pm 
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I'm a little bewildered as to why you're giving us a week by week report on Ratten when you were so keen to judge him at the end of this season.


I'm more than happy to judge his efforts after every game. Particularly if the discussion is based on some actual relevant facts rather than stuff that often runs along the lines of

......'yeah but he should be in the box' or
......'yeah but he never wears his head set' or
.....'we won but he better do better because we didn't win all 120 mins of the game' or
.....'he got the job through a mate' or
.....'we won but I'm not convinced yet because it is his fault senior experienced players missed easy goals' or finally
.....'he and the MC should have picked.............(Insert players name here).

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:29 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Blue Boys wrote:
keogh wrote:
When the coaching job was up for grabs after round 17 2007 I listed some candidates who should be looked at.

One was Alan Richardson who atleast is at the club.
the other was Brendan McCarthy who I saw first hand at Ocean Grove.
Best coach I have ever heard seen watch go about his business but because he played 80 games for Newtown as apposed to 250 for the navy blue he didnt get thought of.
Just happens to be an article in the age today about him and sums him up. He was born to coach and would be a shame if he doesnt become a senior coach at AFL level. If Ratts doesnt workiout then I would be definitely being interviewing him


If Brendan McCartney was such a good candidate why didn't he get the gig at Geelong? Maybe he just wasn't up to it!?



because there is a reluctance to pick a senior coach who didnt play the game at the highest level. In the case of mccartney he only played 80 odd games in the GFL so he is behind the 8 ball for starters. Also with the change of hompson to Scott there was a major change in the coaching lineup.

Trust me on this one. If McCartney ever gets a senior coaching job he will get the very best out of that group. I believe Carlton has a very talented list but we have a few passengers. McCartney wouldnt tolerate any loafers.He is a brilliiant speaker


There's a guy called Wayne Brittain who once Coached Carlton and he was bashed from pillar to post because he hadn't played the game at the highest level. I wonder what your TC comments would have been on Brittain at the time when we were losing :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:12 pm 
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there is alot of emotion thrown up about Ratts....YET...

a) we are 4.5 from 6 games
b) he has a contract for 2011

the facts suggest he is the best man for the job in 2011.....lets get over it and 100% behind him. If he is successful......we all are!


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:17 pm 
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london blue wrote:
there is alot of emotion thrown up about Ratts....YET...

a) we are 4.5 from 6 games
b) he has a contract for 2011

the facts suggest he is the best man for the job in 2011.....lets get over it and 100% behind him. If he is successful......we all are!


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:38 pm 
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Actually I really liked Britts. He was a great match day coach, had imagination and was sacrificed by Elliot's desperate attempts to hang on to power. He is a great loss to AFL and hopefully may come back as an assistant. I think Vossy had him up there but he couldn't deal with Voss' control freakness.
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Rubbish. He has tactical coaches watching the game in the box whilst Ratts is in the face of players the entire game on the bench delivering a coaches message.


Yeah, I still don't get the benefit of coaches on the bench. Anyone who has sat in the front row knows you get a crap view of most of the game.

Paul Roos was the first to do it since about 1967. Now we have young coaches following him. If its such a great idea why didn't any of the follower coaches think of it first. You want your coach to have original ideas and then implement them successfully, not just follow others. And Roos only went to the bench when Longmire was developing as his replacement. No-one has coached a flag from the bench since Allan Jeans in 1966. Sitting on the bench cedes control match day to the people who see the whole game. I know a few coaches do it, but do any of the successful ones? I'd just like Ratts to be in the box in control on matchdays not just passing on messages.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:46 pm 
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I like seeing Ratts on the bench with the players, he is able to get messages and coach and teach face to face with the boys. Nearly all the coaches say they do very little on match day, most of the work is done in the week on working out a game plan and setting the structures that are needed. Its just tinkering on match day, and I'm sure he has great faith in his assistants to point out things that need to be done.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:10 pm 
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How is Paul Roos moving to the boundary line an original idea by him? There's only so many places you can position a coach, and they've all been done well before him in this sport.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:22 pm 
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Brits like Parkin before him did not rejuvenate an aging side and left pagan diddly squat. Aging premiership players were not moved on. Parkin and births were as much to blame as pagan wAs for the low period that came after the draft penalties.

Sure he may have been a good game day coach but as a list manager, he did not show very much.


This is old bad territory and I am now sorry that I responded. On the iPhone so it is easier to hit submit than to delete it

GWS wrote:
london blue wrote:
there is alot of emotion thrown up about Ratts....YET...

a) we are 4.5 from 6 games
b) he has a contract for 2011

the facts suggest he is the best man for the job in 2011.....lets get over it and 100% behind him. If he is successful......we all are!


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:28 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
How is Paul Roos moving to the boundary line an original idea by him? There's only so many places you can position a coach, and they've all been done well before him in this sport.


Well in AFL/VFL, coaching from the boundary line went out when Ron Barrassi came in. So it is over 40 years since it has been done which is many generations of teams and players, so I think it is reasonable to call it a new idea. Certainly the set up is. In the old days with coaches on the bench no-one watched from the box, there were no elevated boxes. Roos did it and now several coaches have followed. Roos didn't ever coach in a grand final from the boundary though. Maybe it is the future, but I don't think you can watch a game effectively from ground level. Anyone on this site choose to watch from the front row?


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:17 pm 
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I reckon that was just about my best ever time at the footy.

all the drubbings, and the paitence has finally been rewarded.

just rewatched the game for the first time and the walker sealer justabout brought me to tears - fantastic win.

Judd was simply unbelieveable.

Jamo was fantastic as was walker, and eddie.

laidler will be a 200 game play is an bloddy steal and to pluck curnow out of nowhere - things are coming together.

we must be ruthless to stkilda.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:42 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
jimmae wrote:
How is Paul Roos moving to the boundary line an original idea by him? There's only so many places you can position a coach, and they've all been done well before him in this sport.


Well in AFL/VFL, coaching from the boundary line went out when Ron Barrassi came in. So it is over 40 years since it has been done which is many generations of teams and players, so I think it is reasonable to call it a new idea. Certainly the set up is. In the old days with coaches on the bench no-one watched from the box, there were no elevated boxes. Roos did it and now several coaches have followed. Roos didn't ever coach in a grand final from the boundary though. Maybe it is the future, but I don't think you can watch a game effectively from ground level. Anyone on this site choose to watch from the front row?

I think it offers something for the coaches. It doesn't always make for a great spectacle, but the coach can see the game from the perspective of the players.

Any mug can sit in the box and see what's unfolding, and any mug coach can tell you what's occurring tactically so long as they're on staff. You want some of the quality analysts' eyes on the ground taking in the 'reality' of it, and your best communicators interacting with the players during the quarter.

Perhaps it was fine to be detached 15 years ago when players would come off for a rub-down, to suck in some oxygen or to be dragged but now with tactical rotations, measured rotations and the like, why not use the time to deliver further instruction and reinforce good play?

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:51 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
jimmae wrote:
How is Paul Roos moving to the boundary line an original idea by him? There's only so many places you can position a coach, and they've all been done well before him in this sport.


Snippety snip.

Anyone on this site choose to watch from the front row?


My reserved seating at Colonial Stadium and the MCG are both front row (well, one row back to be exact). Sadly, I've always been drunk and not paid attention to whether I like them. Now that I'm not drinking I'll pay attention to whether I can see or not and get back to you.

Pretty sure it's awesome, but.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 10:41 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
Anyone on this site choose to watch from the front row?


I watch about 5 games a year from the dugout at Footy Pk, and personally I think the view is fine.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:02 pm 
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The view of the ground at the SCG should be pretty good from the boundary, especially since they levelled the playing surface a couple of years ago.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:55 pm 
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Ratts has explained why he does it. The mix is working at the moment with 4.5 out of 6 games won.

When the Richardson came on board he said his role was to work on the tactical side of the game.
Maybe now roles with the coaches are more defined and the face to face stuff Ratts talks about in interviews is a big part of his role as well as overseeing the other coaches.

As long as we keep racking up the points we will all be happy.

I am liking this never say die attitude we are cultivating. It is something that will become more important than tactics and structures that everyone goes on about. Lets hope we keep it up.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:00 am 
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club29 wrote:
Ratts has explained why he does it. The mix is working at the moment with 4.5 out of 6 games won.

When the Richardson came on board he said his role was to work on the tactical side of the game.
Maybe now roles with the coaches are more defined and the face to face stuff Ratts talks about in interviews is a big part of his role as well as overseeing the other coaches.

As long as we keep racking up the points we will all be happy.

I am liking this never say die attitude we are cultivating. It is something that will become more important than tactics and structures that everyone goes on about. Lets hope we keep it up.



......I'm also liking the fact than unless the opposition has a forwardline of Karri trees , our backs are giving them a bath. A backline made up of two newbies and blokes who've been seen as suspect for a lot of their careers.

Is that G Brown's influence.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:18 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
club29 wrote:
Ratts has explained why he does it. The mix is working at the moment with 4.5 out of 6 games won.

When the Richardson came on board he said his role was to work on the tactical side of the game.
Maybe now roles with the coaches are more defined and the face to face stuff Ratts talks about in interviews is a big part of his role as well as overseeing the other coaches.

As long as we keep racking up the points we will all be happy.

I am liking this never say die attitude we are cultivating. It is something that will become more important than tactics and structures that everyone goes on about. Lets hope we keep it up.



......I'm also liking the fact than unless the opposition has a forwardline of Karri trees , our backs are giving them a bath. A backline made up of two newbies and blokes who've been seen as suspect for a lot of their careers.

Is that G Brown's influence.


Could be that Collingwood team defense setup we are using. They have a bunch of average players in their backline that look a million bucks. Our back six is getting more protection from the forward pressure and midfield running ......and our defenders are guns.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:47 am 
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I reckon that was just about my best ever time at the footy.

all the drubbings, and the paitence has finally been rewarded.

just rewatched the game for the first time and the walker sealer justabout brought me to tears - fantastic win.

Judd was simply unbelieveable.

Jamo was fantastic as was walker, and eddie.

laidler will be a 200 game play is an bloddy steal and to pluck curnow out of nowhere - things are coming together.

we must be ruthless to stkilda.


Mods, please move this post out of the sakc ratts thread. It belongs in the Sydney v Carlton (Post-match discussion) thread!!!!!

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