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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:28 am 
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Wayne Johnston

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cimm1979 wrote:
Pro's

-Believe it or not we are playing much better footy than last year. We appear to have a structure and purpose.


I don't think the highs have been so high. But I certainly think we're playing much more sustainable footy this year. I agree that at both senior and at Bullants level we appear to be far more and far better drilled/structured than we have been for years.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:52 am 
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..agree with the obvious ones, even so some just have to be mentioned..

Pros--

Judd's inside game has gone up a gear i reckon
Murphy's work rate was outstanding, and made some smart decision in traffic
Walker, one of his best games for us and looking like he belongs up fwd [he does]
Betts 6 inside 50 tackles, improved his basics
Jamo, awesome game and played like the FB general Leader that we need
Duigan's attack on the ball


Cons--

Yaz's hammy tightness, anyone know the extent??
Goal conversion, poor this year
Gibbs' down patch

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:26 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
simonverbeek wrote:
CONS

3. Our deep defence to long balls. Pump one in to the goalsquare against us and your key forwards will get hands to the ball. We are very fragile down back.


I actually thought this was an issue at both ends of the ground. Opposition talls seem to initiate contact, our talls rarely do. No doubt relative size and experience have a little to do with this. But even McKernan was pushing our guys around. Wouldn't mind SOS or Sticks or someone like this putting some work into our key position stocks in this area.

Ironically I reckon our most physically aggressive 'tall' at the moment is Simon White, and I love him for it. It's just that he's always going to struggle against the really big boys.

Mckernan is a rather large lad and knows how to take a grab.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:05 am 
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pro - our novices to the AFL!
Curnow - another 25 possies - including 11 CP, 5 CL and 88% DE
Duigan - has a year to date Dispopsal effeciency avergae of apprx 80%....terrific stuff coming out of the backline


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:25 am 
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cons

Gibbs....is a watcher..not a doer

Pay close attentionn and u will see he doesnt go in when its near him and lets his opponent get away with the ball

Not a number one draft picks heart.

I hope he gets harder or he will never reach his potential

Dissapointing year after year...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:40 am 
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There was a passage of play I think in the 3rd and he proceeded to follow Dangerfield around as Dangerfield became the link man in a series of handballs.

Gibbs pressure on Dangerfield was non existent through that entire passage of play.

Poor effort by the Gibblet.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:50 am 
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yep .. Supposed to be NO PASSENGERS


Put him in the twos to see how it feels and make him hungry to be in the ones

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:32 am 
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PROS
We won. 4 points in the bank. In years past, we would have lost that game.
Walker. Saved Us.
Jamo
Character
Ellard and Russell's goals at the end.
Simmo's effort to set up Rusty.
AJ's efforts when he came on.

CONS
Goal kicking :banghead: Should have been an easy win with 11 more scoring shots
Backline was too short (I realise we don't have other options, and very few teams have 3 decent talls to stretch us like the Crows did)
Inability to stop the momentum when it swung against us.
Garlett was off, with some basic, terrible skill errors.
Yaz possibly out for next week. He was brilliant.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:18 pm 
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Also, Duigan is a pro.
A professional, smart, tough footballer. Great pick-up.

Suns could have listed him for free. :screwy:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:59 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Pros
Walker-loved his mark on half time.
Murphy
Duigan
Scotland
We won


Cons
Gibbs
Betts (again)
Our kicking for goal
No trains going through the loop on the Hurstbridge line. :banghead: :banghead:


well the bullies kicked 18.3 so maybe their goalkicking coach could teach the seniors a thing or two...or three or four!!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:38 pm 
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Pro

Despite clear areas for improvement, we are officially 4th at the end of this round :thumbsup:

Destiny is in our own hands. HUGE 3 games coming up.

Con

Five rounds in and I'm still not 100% sure whether we are a 'legitimate contender' for Top 4.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:43 pm 
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TrueQldBlue wrote:
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Gibbs....is a watcher..not a doer

Pay close attentionn and u will see he doesnt go in when its near him and lets his opponent get away with the ball

Not a number one draft picks heart.

I hope he gets harder or he will never reach his potential

Dissapointing year after year...


*snip*

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:01 pm 
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Gibbs Hmm. Doesn't run, he glides. So he looks as though he's not interested but I reckon is and very much the case. He did have a poor game and when he's a bit down it looks worse than it is because he looks as if he's not trying. But he is. There are players in all clubs like that. It's misleading. My felllow Talking Carltonions, don't fall into the trap of misreading him. He's a class act and has been a durable and worthy servant. Our expectations are not commensurate with the reality of playing football. It doesn't help that he was a top draft pick and I can understand, from that, why people seem disappointed.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:03 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
zoneman wrote:
Cons:

Hampson
Hampson
Hampson
Hampson
Hampson


Sorry about the quote but I like your Avatar. :thumbsup:

Thanks Paf. It's my fav photo of The Church.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:11 pm 
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Conundrum wrote:
Pros
4 points gained
Last ten minutes- boys showed some character
First quarter performance. Best one quarter display I have seen for a while.
Jamison puts in another strong display after a forgettable last season. Is prepared to back himself and contribute to our rebounding effort
The addition of Laider and Duigan adding stability to ouur defence along with Yarran pre injury
Ellards recall. Should never have been dropped.
Walker's effort. I just hope he will no longer feel the urge to take a speccy. Much more valuable on the ground
Murphy is clearly our best performenr to date this year
Cons
Ratten's persistence with Hampson as a forward. Adds nothing.
Russell in defence . Has gone backwards this year. Needs to be tried elsewhere other than defence. Duigan has taken his spot.
kicking skills 62% disposal efficiency by foot is very low. Our inability to hit a stationary target with our short kicks is disheartening.
Too manny times their tall forwards were competing for marks one on one. Where was the loose defender? Not to be seen.
Simon White makes too many basic errrors for more liking. We leave our defence exposed matching him on bigger opponents
Gibbs needs to step up. Does not push himself enough. Playing nowhere near his ceiling which is frustrating. Would play him as a half forward this week. Needs to model his game on Nathan Buckley.
So too many missed tackles.
Judd's kicking. Has lost confidence in his kickking for goal. Our mids need to score more goals to relieve pressure from our forwards
Warnock and Hampson are very sooft at marking contests easily outboodiied by smaller opponents. Lack of upper body strength.
After watching the Bullants no onne apart from Army and possibly McLean putting their hand up. Hendo Setanta and Thornton had no influence. Bower did well until injured. Kicking skills also a problem for the Bullants. Port were much more polished.
Our spine is still a big problem.

Conundrum


18.3 not too shabby an effort so kicking for goal is ok - seniors can learn from them?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:54 am 
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How could I have forgotten Jamo as a pro!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:01 pm 
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simonverbeek wrote:
Round 5 Pros and Cons


There is a recurring theme this year with our beloved CFC. We dominate the play, the contested ball and the inside 50’s and manage to have no effect on the scoreboard, whilst the opposition has disproportionately high inside 50 to goal conversion.

It happened against Richmond, happened after Q1 against Essendon* and happened tonight, and it is a worrying trend. Thankfully, we found something at the end to take home the 4 points, but it should’ve been over long before.

PROS

1. Andrew Walker – I thought our best player tonight. Good pressure, good kicking and stuck one finally.

2. Ellard and Curnow – These guys put their head over and get the ball, something one of their high-drafted midfield friends could learn from.

3. Jamo – had a ripping game except for one clanger. Intercepted a lot of footy.

4. Simpson and Scotland – these guys are just consistent and honest week after week.

5. The move of Russel forward – If I’m gonna can the coach for some things (read on), I’ve gotta give him credit for this. Good move.

Special mentions to Murph and Yaz who were great

CONS

1. We had 22 I50’s in the second quarter and kicked one goal (after the siren). They had 10 I50’s and kicked 5 goals. If it was a one off, fine. But it is a recurring nightmare. Remember Richmond? This is a structural breakdown in our forward entries and the coach needs to take responsibility.

2. Bryce ‘fat side’ Gibbs – I kept an eye on Gibber tonight for some time. He spends so much time on the fat side of the ground, running away from the contest and it is an insult to his team mates. Bryce, we all love you – put your head over the fricken pill and earn some respect!

3. Our deep defence to long balls. Pump one in to the goalsquare against us and your key forwards will get hands to the ball. We are very fragile down back.

4. Decision making under pressure – I feel that when the heat gets turned on, like in last week’s Q4, we make poor decisions. Whether that reflects inexperience or a lack of structure in which the players are confident is open to interpretation, but I know which side of the argument I’m on.

5. Shaun Hampson forward – just ain’t working, but there’s not much we can do until Kreuz is back. He does ruck decently in his defence.

Good win but we made hard work of it. I feel like I’m saying that a bit lately.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:27 pm 
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zoneman wrote:
Gibbs Hmm. Doesn't run, he glides. So he looks as though he's not interested but I reckon is and very much the case. He did have a poor game and when he's a bit down it looks worse than it is because he looks as if he's not trying. But he is. There are players in all clubs like that. It's misleading. My felllow Talking Carltonions, don't fall into the trap of misreading him. He's a class act and has been a durable and worthy servant. Our expectations are not commensurate with the reality of playing football. It doesn't help that he was a top draft pick and I can understand, from that, why people seem disappointed.


I am kinda with you here zoneman .... but I am not sure what his role is supposed to be. His body shape seems quite different this year ... looks much leaner ... obviously set himself up for greater speed and endurance. So ... is it by instruction that he hangs outside the contest? Or is it a lack of confidence due to shedding some bulk that stops him going in? No doubt we are not getting full value from his talent at present and it is a big issue for the mc to address.

Also ... at times he does appear to lack desperation and the prancing gait helps add to that perception. But I take your point .... some players just look laconic even when they are trying flat out. I was down on Houla for a long time because I did not feel he put in 100% but I know better now. Also some players show little emotion on the field even after a clanger and supporters find this hard to deal with. Gibbs is very hard to read on the field.

If he is the quality young guy that he reported to be, he will work it out. Or the mc will find the right role for him. Soon I hope. We need him at his best.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:02 pm 
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Betts trying hard - spent too much of the early part of this season almost afraid to get his hands dirty. Got dirtier last night and looked all the better for it.


I'm an Eddie fan. I would have liked to see him have a run on the ball in recent games when he has had trouble finding it on the forward line.

But Eddies contract needs amending to stipulate that he must wear shorts 4 sizes smaller than the ones he wore against the Crows and in other recent games. Seriously he is going to cost us a game one day by tripping over the crutch of his shorts running into an open goal and thus failing to kick the winning goal.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:05 pm 
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Pros... got out of jail.

Cons... GIBBS, the most selfish and pathetic game I've seen from him. I watched him very closely all game and it was like he was instructed to run (very meekly) away from the contest at all times.



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