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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:21 am 
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Wasnt excited when we won.
Same old same old
I could go on and on but a few thoughts
Watson and Henderson must come in. Play Watson on the third tall at least. We were so undermanned in defence it wasnt funny. Hendo may be struggling but atleast he can take a pack mark something very few at our club can do.And Watson can kick a footy properly which many of our players cant do STILL

As for Ratts and the coaching staff.
Adelaide were always going to flood.Where is planB. Non existent
As I have said numero uno he isnt up to it. It happens so often that I cant see that we have improved therefore I dont get excited. Adelaide are just a side with heaps of injuries.
We have more cracks than a nurses home.
On the plus side its great to see rookies that Curnow, Jamo and Ellard showing the way which makes up for Gibbs who is a huge worry and Hammer who is clueless. Hammer would beat Jacobs at Stawell off scratch but we got rid of the wrong ruckman pure and simple. Hammer is only getting a game because there is nobody else till Kreuzer comes back. O'Hailpin is finished judging from what I saw yesterday.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:27 am 
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How do you beat the flood Keogh

Post on here Ratts might be reading

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:32 am 
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keogh wrote:
Wasnt excited when we won.
Same old same old
I could go on and on but a few thoughts
Watson and Henderson must come in. Play Watson on the third tall at least. We were so undermanned in defence it wasnt funny. Hendo may be struggling but atleast he can take a pack mark something very few at our club can do.And Watson can kick a footy properly which many of our players cant do STILL

As for Ratts and the coaching staff.
Adelaide were always going to flood.Where is planB. Non existent
As I have said numero uno he isnt up to it. It happens so often that I cant see that we have improved therefore I dont get excited. Adelaide are just a side with heaps of injuries.
We have more cracks than a nurses home.
On the plus side its great to see rookies that Curnow, Jamo and Ellard showing the way which makes up for Gibbs who is a huge worry and Hammer who is clueless. Hammer would beat Jacobs at Stawell off scratch but we got rid of the wrong ruckman pure and simple. Hammer is only getting a game because there is nobody else till Kreuzer comes back. O'Hailpin is finished judging from what I saw yesterday.


Sorry Keogh but Hendo currently can do most things EXCEPT take a pack mark. Has little strength or presence in a marking situation and a real worry at the moment.

I'm with you on the love for Curnow, Jamo and Ellard. Jamo's got strength back in his shoulders and has more physical presence in the contests this year. Curnow and Ellard are real workers who roll up the sleeves and get dirty. :thumbsup:

Too early to make a call on Hammer/Jacobs. They're ruckmen and they take longer.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:36 am 
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The midfield is the most important area of the game, if they're on top the backline doesn't get exposed and the forwards get clean delivery. If they're not on top, but at least chasing and putting pressure on (and the chasing and pressure starts from the F50) then the backline doesn't get exposed. If there is no pressure from the rest of the ground then it doesn't matter if we play Watson, Waite, Bower, Kreuzer or Henderson down back we're going to suffer.

White isn't the real problem down there. The best way to counter 3 talls in the forwardline from the opposition is to work off them and have our defenders provide lots of run and link up play. Once you can do that, you give them no choice other than to alter their structure to take a tall out. Thats why Bower is as important to our structure down back as Jamison and why he's a CHB, to expose his opponant on the way out. Unfortunate that it looks as though he may be missing for the Ants next week, he really needs to string together half a dozen good games at VFL level so he comes back into the senior team confident and in form.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:40 am 
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Extract from The Age below:

Sam Jacobs left the Blues for his home town at the end of last season, while Ed Curnow was an Adelaide rookie way back when, in 1998.

How old is Curnow????

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:43 am 
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Jacobs was ordinary at best - thought Hampson beat him everytime

Warnock was very good last night with the exceptions for his kicking at goal

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:46 am 
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Warnock is normally a pretty good shot for goal.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:51 am 
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Did not agree with Yarran being subbed off. The game was in the balance, he has a lot of x factor about him, can run us off half-back and really damage opposition teams. Shit coaching I think, and that's coming from someone who supports Ratts a lot.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:55 am 
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Didn't he come off because of injury?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:55 am 
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Yarran was subbed for hamstring tightness Captain Dan, not for form. He was probably the cleanest skilled player out there - there was no way this was a choice. In the pst match presser Ratten talked about Yarran having done a hammy last week and with the slightest bit of tightness they were not going to risk it.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:56 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Jacobs was ordinary at best - thought Hampson beat him everytime


I watch their output with interest and Jacobs would have been lucky to break even. Hampson even rag dolled him a couple of times.
Jacobs just sits in the centre square linking up. Hampson gets around the ground but fails to impact a lot of contests he gets too.
Havent seen Jacobs play forward so cant compare the two there.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:56 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Jacobs was ordinary at best - thought Hampson beat him everytime

Warnock was very good last night with the exceptions for his kicking at goal


Jacobs was useless and got consistently smash. Also the fact he can't mark the ball and is too slow and unfit to plAy forward will be a massive worry for the crows


ATM it's just as expected 206 >>>>> hammer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jacobs

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:57 am 
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molsey wrote:
Yarran was subbed for hamstring tightness Captain Dan, not for form. He was probably the cleanest skilled player out there - there was no way this was a choice. In the pst match presser Ratten talked about Yarran having done a hammy last week and with the slightest bit of tightness they were not going to risk it.

Fair enough.

I saw him come off injured at one stage, but then he came back on. Didn't think there was any need at that point to bring him off if he was good enough to come back on.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:58 am 
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You beat a flood by going into the 50 anyway possible with constant movement short penetrating kicks . Go wide and go in like you have too. But go forwards and keep attacking

1 our players dont work kard enough off the ball in those situations
2Some of our player's kicking skills are too poor as per usual to do this

So we kick it sideways outside the 50 and the opposition just sweat on a turnover and bingo their off to the races.

Whilst Jamo had 4 kicked on him he basically saved the day for us because he beat Tippet one on one more often than not


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:09 am 
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kingkerna wrote:
Watching tonight really showed how important team selection is. It seems strange but I think we really need Thornton.
Gibbs really doesn't look interested, interesting times ahead.


Agreed on both points. We've got to stop making Thornton the fall guy. Can play back and forward, has footy smarts and can mark/kick. May not be there when we challenge but rigt now, he is part of our 22

Gibbs has been frustrating me since the beginning of last year. WTF is wrong with this guy. Play him in a classic HF role for the rest of the year. May snag 25 or so goals with his kicking. Has lost his way since Russell and Yarran took the HB spots.
Is not a genuine mid-too slow for outside mid and too tentative for inside.
Play him in a Scott Camporeale role, goal kicking HF/mid

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:11 am 
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keogh wrote:
You beat a flood by going into the 50 anyway possible with constant movement short penetrating kicks . Go wide and go in like you have too. But go forwards and keep attacking

1 our players dont work kard enough off the ball in those situations
2Some of our player's kicking skills are too poor as per usual to do this

So we kick it sideways outside the 50 and the opposition just sweat on a turnover and bingo their off to the races.

Whilst Jamo had 4 kicked on him he basically saved the day for us because he beat Tippet one on one more often than not


Keogh if you have 10 crows players filling up the centre corridor then 4 zoning off out wide

your telling me you expect someone to pin point a pass with a short fast kick to someone in the corridor

your dreaming Keogh

Crows played last night after 1/4 time with one thing in mind dont get smashed - they flooded back and were fortunate enough to have 2 talls who could win their fair share one on one

We belted the crows all over the park last night except on the scoreboard

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:11 am 
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keogh wrote:
Whilst Jamo had 4 kicked on him he basically saved the day for us because he beat Tippet one on one more often than not


Yeah that was one of the best games I've seen Jamo play, thought he was very solid, tough to beat in a 1 on 1 contest.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:17 am 
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Mark J wrote:
Gibbs needs to learn that hanging out 2-3 mteres off every contest, waiting for the ball to squirt out the back, is a cheats way of playing footy.
Have a look at the desperation of Curnow,Judd,Simmo,Murphy,Robbo etc.

I don't know how he gets away with it. Next week against the Swans he will be found out.
1 possession in the last qt against the Bummers last week when the heat was on........little impact tonight,and Ryan Houlihan cops it for lack of hardness. :roll:



Gibbs has been flying under the radar for 18 months. A show pony who has never been pulled up since his school boy days. Needs a week or two down at Cramer St.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:21 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
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Cazzesman wrote:
Anyone who blames Ratten for tonights effort is a tool.

It was the same players and the same game plan after 1/4 time when it should have been about 7gls to 1gl except for poor kicking. After that all the problems were player related not Coach related.

Hanging it on the players but the Coach was not the problem tonight.

Regards Cazzesman



Well call me Mr Sid Chrome. I blame Ratten for having absolutely no forward line structure whatsoever, we bomb long to no-one, we have mids streaming fwd only to stop and look sideways at 60m out because of the complete lack of movement and strategic forward positioning, we create no spaces and when we do no-one seems to lead into them. we are not well drilled at passing to a leading forward, leading AT the ball carrier, or into an advantageous space. this is a basic training drill at any level of football. we have so many rushed behinds from opposition


So was the 1st quarter a fluke or did we have 22 different players for 30 minutes and a different game plan?

Did you go to the game or watch it on TV?

Regards Cazzesman


Any team, even the Suns can have a 'great' quarter.
Average teams consistently have 1-2 good quarters
When was the last time Carlton played three consecutive games with an 'almost' 4 quarter performance in each?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:25 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
keogh wrote:
You beat a flood by going into the 50 anyway possible with constant movement short penetrating kicks . Go wide and go in like you have too. But go forwards and keep attacking

1 our players dont work kard enough off the ball in those situations
2Some of our player's kicking skills are too poor as per usual to do this

So we kick it sideways outside the 50 and the opposition just sweat on a turnover and bingo their off to the races.

Whilst Jamo had 4 kicked on him he basically saved the day for us because he beat Tippet one on one more often than not


Keogh if you have 10 crows players filling up the centre corridor then 4 zoning off out wide

your telling me you expect someone to pin point a pass with a short fast kick to someone in the corridor

your dreaming Keogh

Crows played last night after 1/4 time with one thing in mind dont get smashed - they flooded back and were fortunate enough to have 2 talls who could win their fair share one on one

We belted the crows all over the park last night except on the scoreboard

The good clubs do it. We cant because the players skills and work ethic are poor. Your making excuses
So we belted the crows all over the park. Maybe you should open the other eye. The first quarter yes. The last 5 miutes yes. The rest of the game .No.
In his 5th year as coach ratten hasnt come up with a forward structure that beats the flood. Thats part of his job.


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