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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:27 pm 
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gee wow - yeah

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:28 pm 
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Problem is we have Garlett and Betts as leading targets...that is a coaching issue. These guys shouldn't be playing as leading forwards. So easy for defenders to get a spoil in. I wonder if the inaccuracy is because we take so many shots from deep in the pocket or 45m out on the boundary. Waite showed his brilliance but also that he still cannot do the simple things consistently.

Why were Adelaide allowed to have so many one on one contests inside 50? Why didn't we push any numbers back?

So many shots from wide/long out...no wonder we struggle to kick straight.

Ellard, Murphy and Walker were excellent. Simpson, Scotland and Laidler very good. Simpson's spoil on Martin showed his never-give-up attitude (compared to some). Jamison was good even though Tippett kicked four - we did allow him a one on one contest so often (??????). Carrots shat his pants in when he was in a heap of space and dropped a sitter. Eddie turned up for the first 20 minutes and then..........Johncock had a squillion possessions although he seemed to play on both Garlett and Eddie. Gibbs doesn't work hard enough...hard work never hurt anyone! Warnock's clearance work on the deck was excellent.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:28 pm 
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Smallman wrote:
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Gibbs needs to learn that hanging out 2-3 mteres off every contest, waiting for the ball to squirt out the back, is a cheats way of playing footy.
Have a look at the desperation of Curnow,Judd,Simmo,Murphy,Robbo etc.quote]

Gibbs is an outside Mid and this is the role he has been asked to play by the coaching staff. The guys you mentioned are inside mids (Murph debatable). Not all players can be inside mids or who would the insiders have to pass the ball out to. The outside mid is a legit position. Whether he is playing that role well or not is another question entirely.



good point. maybe gibbs starting on the wing as opposed to back flank?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:29 pm 
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waite and walker will be even better when they become the 2nd and 3rd forwards and we have either a fit and in form hendo or krooooooozer at FF.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:30 pm 
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Thank !@#$%& it wasn't another draw.



With about 5 minutes to go, I think I would have taken the draw. :oops:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:32 pm 
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man, that was a frustrating game.

was very angry directly after the game, but after getting some nicotene and donuts into me, i feel much better about the result.

yes, we played like garbage during large periods after the 1st qtr, but maybe adelaide applied a better game plan and executed it than we did, which didnt allow us to play our style of game. neil craig is no slouch, and adelaide played out of their skins. johncockhead was very good for them too

but we did win, and as sydney showed a few years back, winning ugly is better than losing any day.

Jamo, Murph, Yazz, Juddy, Simo, Walks, Duigan, Scotto, I love yous all!!! ripper game from all of them. Ellard is a beauty for us too

Very proud of the boys (well most of them)

I would like the coaches to inform the players at some stage that the idea is to kick the ball between the BIG sticks. they could also have a message on a noticeboard somewhere that reads "could all passengers please exit the train at the next training session"

Subbing Yazz gave me a fright, but the radio said he had some hamstring tightness, and the MC didn't want to risk him. Good move - missing him for a half is much better than missing him for 4 weeks

Hammer, Russ, Gibbs, will I ever be able to quit smoking while you play like that????? you are all one million times better footballers than i could ever be, but geez, you frustrate me (Russ was not that bad, but that OOF was painful).

I love Betts, but he seemed to put the cue in the rack after his first goal. Jeff had a downer, but it happens to the best of them

we need to learn how to combat a flood. why wasnt Warnock told to stay in the goalsquare and have them bomb it to him?

rant over.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:35 pm 
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Laguna Legend wrote:
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Gibbs needs to learn that hanging out 2-3 mteres off every contest, waiting for the ball to squirt out the back, is a cheats way of playing footy.
Have a look at the desperation of Curnow,Judd,Simmo,Murphy,Robbo etc.quote]

Gibbs is an outside Mid and this is the role he has been asked to play by the coaching staff. The guys you mentioned are inside mids (Murph debatable). Not all players can be inside mids or who would the insiders have to pass the ball out to. The outside mid is a legit position. Whether he is playing that role well or not is another question entirely.



good point. maybe gibbs starting on the wing as opposed to back flank?


He did start on the wing. He went to the HBF later in the game. You might see that on the replay during the week.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:38 pm 
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Just home, like many of you pretty relieved. The game should have been over at half time and i am sick of our poor kicking for goal.
The final 10 minutes when the game looked gone we suddenly began to tackle like our lives depended on it and kicked long into goals. ( and guess what we kicked 2 goals from outside or on the 50 metre line.)
Well done to Walker, Murphy (again) Duigan, Scotland, Jamo, Ellard.
Some changes are needed but on todays Bullants game there is noone really knocking on the door to come in.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:40 pm 
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In the end, very relieved to get the four points. It was a hard-fought win, very scrappy game after the first term, but I'm sure we'd all rather win than lose. Kicking and disposal for the most part was deplorable...we had 30 shots on goal but only won by 6 points. The only thing we can salvage out of bad kicking is that it got us over the line in the end.

Loved the spirit of the group when they found themselves down by a couple of kicks in the last quarter. I really thought they were done at that point (imagine TC if we did get overrun).

I'm really not sure who will go out of the team once Kreuzer comes back - for mine Warnock and Hampson haven't offered as much, so the next few weeks for both of them before big K's return could shape their seasons.

Thought Judd was excellent once again, Waite was fantastic, Jamison solid down back, Murphy had a blinder, and Duigan will keep getting better.

Also thought it would have been fitting for Simpson in the last term when he lined up for goal that he'd kick the sealer...could be shades of Kernahan 1993, vindicated for the previous week. Nonetheless, when the heat was well and truly on late in the game, Simpson delivered and helped us over the line. Great game from him.

The ins and outs for next week will be interesting to see.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:41 pm 
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Our kicking was / is terrible - ably led by our Captain who is challenging Carrazzo for worst kick in the team. For a supposed perfectionist in so many areas - how can he continue to hold & drop the ball to foot like an 8 year old ? He is a great player, as we all know, but I think that his disposal by foot is getting worse and his kicking for goal is on par with Hampson's. Are the coaches too scared to tell him that he isn't holding the ball properly ? Gavin Brown was a great kick as was Craig Bradley.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:43 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Smallman wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Gibbs needs to learn that hanging out 2-3 mteres off every contest, waiting for the ball to squirt out the back, is a cheats way of playing footy.
Have a look at the desperation of Curnow,Judd,Simmo,Murphy,Robbo etc.


Gibbs is an outside Mid and this is the role he has been asked to play by the coaching staff. The guys you mentioned are inside mids (Murph debatable). Not all players can be inside mids or who would the insiders have to pass the ball out to. The outside mid is a legit position. Whether he is playing that role well or not is another question entirely.

Even Dale Thomas can impose himself on the contest when needed. Dale !@#$%& Thomas.

Precisely. I have not engaged in the Gibbs bashing at all, but he was ordinary. He is not an inside mid, but as a potential A-grader needs to be able to get his own ball more, and go in when required. Can't see him getting dropped, but am looking for more from him.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:50 pm 
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:52 pm 
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Asp wrote:
Our kicking was / is terrible - ably led by our Captain who is challenging Carrazzo for worst kick in the team. For a supposed perfectionist in so many areas - how can he continue to hold & drop the ball to foot like an 8 year old ? He is a great player, as we all know, but I think that his disposal by foot is getting worse and his kicking for goal is on par with Hampson's. Are the coaches too scared to tell him that he isn't holding the ball properly ? Gavin Brown was a great kick as was Craig Bradley.

Agree, our messiah has turned into a turn over merchant this year. Last week he put it down Feltcher's throat 4 or 5 times and tonight was just as bad. That 20m shot direct in front late in the 1st was terrible, it would have had us up by 6 goals at the break.

Thank GOD he's still the best clearance man in the business.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:52 pm 
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Frustrating night.

Game should have been over when Judd instead hit the post from 15 out in the first quarter. That's life.

Thought our backline looked as well structured and fluent in it's movement of the ball as it has for a long while, even in the face of the uberflood. Full credit to Gavin Brown there. Starting to wonder if Bower is a necessity to return.

Lot of positives to take out of the game I thought. David Ellard's game was fantastic, really happy to see him get his just rewards for some good form in the twos. Real benefit to having Ellard in the side is having a midfielder who kicks goals. Something we don't have a lot of.

Walker's game was encouraging too, but also a product of things coming together tonight, and getting the rub of the coin. The silly marks stuck, the ball rolled out to the silly areas where he runs to. Was a lethal set shot for goal tonight, certainly had the kicking boots on. Far more pressing issues for the time being than Walker. I thought moving him out of the forward line was the match changer (can't fault Ratts here - hands were tied with Yarran going off)...and then Craig's bizarre decision to play Tambling on Waite in the last, swung it again. Again to give credit where credit's due, Ratts sending Russell forward was handy too.

Simpson's last quarter reminds me the Simpsons episode where Bart drops the catch in the little league game and they kept giving him the do-over. No matter what, just couldn't make amends. Good game regardless.

Juddy didn't look right tonight. Kicking looked a bit restricted, running looked a bit labored at times. Hopefully nothing too serious?

Reckon Robbo might have hit the wall, and the bye can't come quick enough for him. The famous Robbo second/third efforts were lacking a couple of times tonight, not through effort, but just not having anything left in the tank. A candidate for the sub for next week

Gibbs was embarassing. Anyone want to say he doesn't remind you of Travis Johnstone without the marijuana and gambling habits? Can't even call him a front runner, as he never runs. The way he escorted someone to the ball and then jogged alongside watching them set up Adelaide's first goal tonight, was Mick Mansfield-esque.

Thought Warnock beat Jacobs pretty comfortably tonight, and then Jacobs absolutely smashed Hampson. If there's any ground we could probably get away with not having a second ruck, it's the SCG..

Same shit different week for Betts, Gibbs Hampson...

Surely Jamo has to get his due as one of the most improved players in the competition. He's bordering on the competition's best.

Sydney will smash us, which at this time of the year presents a good opportunity for a wake up call, and a shake up of the 22.

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Apparently Paul Roos was in the stands tonight :?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:53 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/112305/default.aspx

Regards Cazzesman

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CARLTON coach Brett Ratten believes his players' untidy use of the ball against Adelaide on Saturday night is an isolated event and doesn't expect it to be become a regular feature of his side's performances.

Well I lol'd :?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:56 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Problem is we have Garlett and Betts as leading targets...that is a coaching issue. These guys shouldn't be playing as leading forwards. So easy for defenders to get a spoil in. I wonder if the inaccuracy is because we take so many shots from deep in the pocket or 45m out on the boundary.

So many shots from wide/long out...no wonder we struggle to kick straight.


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Donstuie wrote:
Apparently Paul Roos was in the stands tonight :?


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 6043519631

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:01 am 
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Effes wrote:
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Apparently Paul Roos was in the stands tonight :?


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 6043519631

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Tonight the family heads to Etihad Stadium for the Carlton-Adelaide game, and we'll be there again tomorrow for North Melbourne versus Richmond. Then it's the blockbusters at the MCG on Monday and Tuesday.

Ah, that explains it :thumbsup:

(won't stop the conspiracy theorists though)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:11 am 
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Having rewatched the second half (telecast was delayed in WA), I can understand why I thought we were gone. They made all the running early in the last and when Vince kicked that goal I thought that was it.

Credit to the boys for fighting it out and getting the win. Will gladly take that every day of the week. That in itself shows improvement imho.

That being said, other than the first qtr and the last 9 mins, we were very ordinary tonight. Skill execution, decision making, even our pressure (which was generally pretty good) fluctuated wildly throughout the game.

Professional AFL footballers should never, ever, ever kick short to a contest. Especially in the back half or midfield. Lost count of how many times we did this tonight. Simply unacceptable. Hopefully a once off because if we dish that up it'll be a long season.

All wins are welcomed and it was critical to get the points tonight.

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