Anyone got some Kool-aid?

At that stage time was as important as the points. He should have gone back, bled some seconds and taken his shot. He's a decent set shot, he should have backed himself. Worst case scenario he misses and if we were any sort of a team we would have set up in our kick-in zone while he was lining up. It was a bad decision.

If we're serious about pushing into the top 4 in the next few years we all know what needs to happen - and he's not the only one

most people pre-game had us losing we can take the 2 points and move on. we need a big win next week against adelaide thats for sure

But we wanted "a player" and that's what we got.

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The coaching panel should hang their head in shame. Ratten if you were any good you would have spent five minutes in the box this season

1. How can you not include Lucas and Armfield against a running side like Essendon*?
2. How do you start Walker as your sub & Collins and Henderson on the field and then when we can't buy a goal wait until 28 minutes in the third quarter to bring him on? Walker aint great but he has to start with limited talent we have.
3. If Betts isn't fit don't play him
4. Yes Waite played well but is anyone teaching him to play in front? Does any one tell him you can not always lead to the boundary?
5. When will the penny drop that opposition coaches want Carrazzo to be the player at the end of the Carlton possession chain because of his woeful disposal?
6. When will the penny drop that Judds 13 handballs and 6 kicks is exactly what the opposition want and that you need to run him through the forward line & teach Gibbs to get in & under?
6. Did you try Hampson out of the goalsquare once today?
7. When will the penny drop that Gibbs needs a rocket- always easy possies out the back?
8. Why didn't the message go out to the players that you still have to take the game on when you are 1 point up with a full five minutes to go?
9. When will you put a line through players that can not win us a premiership: Carrazzo, Thornton, Jamison and a few others and get games into Lucas, Watson and co?

We should NEVER EVER trade a player for anything other than a pick (unless its for a Judd type trade).

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If you told me before the game that Waite would have a blinder, and that Hurley and Ryder wouldn't kill us, and that Monfries wouldn't get a bag of easy goals, I'd be whacking all my money on Carlton.

Still can't believe we drew that.

I feel as though we have about 8-10 poor decision makers in our team, with the poorest decision maker of them all coaching us.

I don't know how many more examples some people need of our MC being four steps behind every play. Our forward structure at the start of the game was abysmal and it took us almost 1 and a half quarters to do anything about it.

The saddest part of this all is that as a footy club, were regressing. We're further away from top 4 now then we were in 2009 and 2010, and that's the biggest worry.

Too many soft flower$ for us, they were harder at it and actually deserved the win.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

As far as I'm concerned we lost a depth player in Grigg and gained a depth player in Collins. Grigg hasn't really improved while at Richmond.

Going back to Garlett. Yes, he should have stopped, milked some time and taken a set shot. But if he'd missed - he missed a couple of set shots earlier in the game - there's every chance they would have rebounded straight down for a goal.

It shouldn't have come down to that though. Nor Simmo's OOTF. We had our chances in the second and third quarter and flubbed them.

badly drawn boys?

Agreed, we still haven't beat a non bottom 4 team since round 8 last year.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

I thought we'd win

then I wondered where our intensity went

then I pondered the matchups and thought @#$%&! we are in trouble

then I saw them go down 2 players (1 and the sub )

and yet we just couldn't hurt them often enough.

New forwardline anyone?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

We've lost one game. To last year's premiers. What do you muppets want? 4 wins by 68+ points?

I don't get it. Weird.

1. Agreed - very perplexed about Armfield not being included. 50/50 on Lucas.
2. Agreed - what took so long for Walker to come on?
4. Agreed - he's a big bloke and if he plays in front he'll win 9 times out of 10.

I want to beat a side that will finish higher than 12th. Hasn't happened for a while.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

not as upset at simmo for kicking on the full as I was with the bloke who kicked 50 metres directly 180 degrees absolutely BACKWARDS to give it to him.
im all for locking it up, but dont give up 50 metres in such intensity at such a crucial time

No, I don't fully agree with that becuase you never know your luck but the 'mantra' at the time worried me. The single-mindedness sounded very much like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, or a variation of.

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Just got back from the game. How did we not win, at various times we looked like we would motor away with it. I can't believe we let it slip. Our backline was good today. Duigan played a terrific game and will improve and eliminate little errors as he adjusts more to the pace. Yarran was excellent, a rolls royce. White very solid on Hurley and Jammo very good. Our forward line is woeful. Waite is a super talent but will always be a cameo player, he doesn't do enough often enough. With his talent he should be an AA forward but he drifts too much. Collins played possibly the worst game ever by a Carlton player. I can't remember seeing anyone just have everything they touch go bad. His confidence will be shot. Hendo had a shocker and looks like he should have found more form in the Ants. Hammo is a ruckman or nothing, he is a shocking judge of a mark. Doesn't matter how tall you are if you are always two metres under the ball or two metres behind the pack. Eddie Betts just looks way off. People bag Setanta, could he play worse than half the guys on our forward line? I still can't believe we managed to drop the game. Hard to see McLean getting a game with Curnow doing well and Ellard next hard nut in line.